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User talk:Waahlis

2013-10-09T21:42:24Z

Conlang: /* The Comlang */ new section

User talk:Conlang

2013-10-09T21:33:43Z

Conlang: /* Ciao! */

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| style="text-align:center;" |[[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]]''' ([[User:talk:Chrysophylax|talk]]) [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' ([[User talk:EmperorZelos|talk]]) [[File:PMOB.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' ([[User talk:Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán|talk]]) [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' ([[User talk:Waahlis|talk]]) 
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== Welcome! ==

Of course a personal welcome from me! :D [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 22:31, 13 November 2012 (CET)

And hello to you to Waahlis! Thank you for the greeting! [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 21:11, 14 November 2012 (CET)

== D-Bomb ==

And of course one from the lovable douchebag thats me :P

Glad to see you here!

[[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 07:12, 14 November 2012 (CET)

You to! Any thing I can do to help start up the new site? (When I code, you might want to look over; I code things a little weird. Still a beginner :P) [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 20:55, 14 November 2012 (CET)

I always keep a look on templates to ensure they work well :) We are currently importing features and stuff [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 08:20, 15 November 2012 (CET)

== Operation Modèle ==

Welcome to Operation Modèle, organising and devising a system for the wiki's templates.

Hi Conlang! [[User:Waahlis/On templates|Here you are]], as promised! If you have further questions, write them under a new section on my talk page! I was on the letter F on the [[:Category:Templates]]! The list is nowhere complete, so if you want to suggest something, please do so [[User talk:Waahlis/On templates|here]].

Sincerely, [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 22:02, 15 November 2012 (CET)

== Ciao! ==

Hi CL! You getting back to work? :D [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 08:28, 8 October 2013 (CEST)

Yes. Back to the language mine with you, peasant. And do not return until you have a cart full of Gerunds and Imperatives.-[[User:Fauxlosophe|Fauxlosophe]] ([[User talk:Fauxlosophe|talk]]) 17:19, 8 October 2013 (CEST)

Hello Waahlis! (and Fauxlosophe) Yes, I'm back. I nearly forgot about this place since I've been doing a lot of school and travelling!

It's going to be a while until I finish the changes to my language, I've changed it so much. :P It's now a simplistic language made by a government and linguists as a code for secret projects.

The main page is looking awesome by the way. [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 23:33, 9 October 2013 (CEST)

Dyimkumt

2013-10-06T23:26:28Z

Conlang: /* Writing to Phonotactics */

{{Construction}}
{{ClassMeter
| Name = Dyimkumt
| NativeName = Dyimkumt
| Type = 
| Alignment = Tripartite

|adjective = final
|adposition =
|adverb =
|article =
|relativeclause =
|nounclause =
|order = SVO
| Tonal = no
| Declensions = yes
| Conjugations = yes
| Genders = none
| Nouns decline according to...
| Case = no
| NNumber = yes
| Definiteness = no
| Gender = no
| Verbs conjugate according to...
| Voice = no
| Mood = no
| Person = no
| VNumber = no
| Tense = yes
| Aspect = no
|To what degree, from 0 to 100 where 100 is fully completed, is the respective part completed?
|Phonology = 100
|NounCases = 100
|NounDef = 100
|NounNumbers =0
|NounGender = 100
|VerbPerson = 100
|VerbNumber = 100
|VerbAspect = 100
|VerbTense =0
|VerbMood = 100
|VerbVoice = 100
|AdjCase = 100
|AdjNumber = 100
|AdjDef = 100
|AdjGen = 0
|AdjComparative =0
|AdjSuperlative =0
|Supine =0
|Gerund =0
|Participle =0
|Infinitive =0
|Modality =0
|Words = 50
}}

==General information==


==Phonology==
===Consonants===
{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" class="wikitable article-table" style="width: 1000px; text-align:center;"
! style="width: 68px; "|
! style="width: 68px; " |Bilabial
! style="width: 68px; " |Labio-dental
! style="width: 68px; " |Dental
! style="width: 68px; " |Alveolar
! style="width: 68px; " |Post-Alveolar
! style="width: 68px; " |Alveolo-palatal
! style="width: 68px; " |Palatal
! style="width: 68px; " |Velar
! style="width: 68px; " |Labial-velar
! style="width: 68px; " |Glottal
|-
! style="" |Nasal
| m
|
|
| n
|
|
|
| ŋ
|
|
|-
! style="" |Plosive
| p b
|
|
| t d
|
|
|
| k g
|
|
|-
! style="" |Fricative
|
| f v
| θ ð
| s z
| ʃ
| ɕʰ
|
|
|
| h
|-
! style="" |Affricate
|
|
|
|
| dʒ
|
|
|
|
|
|-
! style="" |Approximant
|
|
|
| r
|
|
| j
|
| w
|
|-
! style="" |Lateral app.
|
|
|
| l
|
|
|
|
|
|
|}

===Vowels===
{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" class="wikitable article-table" style="width: 540px; text-align:center"
! style="width: 90px; "|
! style="width: 90px; "|Front
! style="width: 90px; "|Near-front
! style="width: 90px; "|Central
! style="width: 90px; "|Near-back
! style="width: 90px; "|Back
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Close
| i
|
|
|
| u
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Near-close
|
| ɪ
|
| ʊ
|
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Close-mid
| e
|
|
|
| o
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Mid
|
|
| ə
|
|
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Open-mid
|
|
|
|
|
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Near-open
|
|
|
|
|
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Open
| a
|
|
|
|
|}

Diphthongs:
*au [aʊ]
*ei [ei]
*ui [ʊi]
*ou [oʊ]
*eu [eu]
*yy1 [i]

#yy technically isn't a diphthong.

===Writing to Phonotactics===

The alphabet for Dyimkumt is relatively simple:

{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" class="wikitable article-table" style="width: 1300px; text-align:center;"
!colspan="2"|Upper case
!colspan="2"|A
!colspan="6"|C
!colspan="2"|E
!colspan="2"|F
!colspan="2"|G
!colspan="2"|H
!colspan="2"|I
!colspan="2"|L
!colspan="2"|M
!colspan="2"|N
!colspan="2"|O
!colspan="2"|P
!colspan="2"|R
!colspan="2"|S
!colspan="4"|T
!colspan="2"|U
!colspan="2"|Y
|-
!colspan="2"|Lower case
|colspan="2"|a
|colspan="6"|c
|colspan="2"|e
|colspan="2"|f
|colspan="2"|g
|colspan="2"|h
|colspan="2"|i
|colspan="2"|l
|colspan="2"|m
|colspan="2"|n
|colspan="2"|o
|colspan="2"|p
|colspan="2"|r
|colspan="2"|s
|colspan="4"|t
|colspan="2"|u
|colspan="2"|y
|-
!rowspan="2"|IPA
!Normal IPA
|colspan="2"|[a]
|colspan="6"|[ɕʰ]
|colspan="2"|[e]
|colspan="2"|[f]
|colspan="2"|[g]
|colspan="2"|[h]
|colspan="2"|[ɪ]
|colspan="2"|[l]
|colspan="2"|[m]
|colspan="2"|[n]
|colspan="2"|[o]
|colspan="2"|[p]
|colspan="2"|[ɹ]
|colspan="2"|[s]
|colspan="4"|[t]
|colspan="2"|[u]
|colspan="2"|[i]
|-
!Exceptions in the IPA
|y_
|[ə]
|colspan="6"|--
|y_
|[a]
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|y_
|[i]
|V_ or _V
|[j]
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|_h
|[ʃ]
|#_h
|[θ]
|_h and not #_
|[ð]
|y_
|[ʊ]
|_V and not _y
|[j]
|}
This uses the SCA syntax. If you don't know of this, here is a little bit of information:
{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" class="wikitable article-table" style="width: 300px; text-align:center;"
!colspan="2"|Key
|-
|_
|the character
|-
|#
|start (when it is placed before the string) or end (when it is placed after the string)
|-
|(...)
|could be
|}

===Phonotactics===


The syllable pattern is "C[yV/r[V/D]/V/D]N"(using awkword syntax), where C is a constant, V is a vowel, D is a vowel diphthong, and N is a nasal.

==Basic grammar==

===Dialects===
In Dyimkumt, you naturally group subject and verbs together as well as tense identifiers. All of of these you do with an apostrophe, which, verbally, can be spoken different ways. One way is to "invert" the aspiration on the next constant,(common to [[Dyimkumt/Dialects|cyangeuhen dialect]]) like 't would be pronounced [tʰ], 'c, the exception, would now not be aspirated because it naturally is aspirated. Another way is to pronounce a glottal stop, common to most [[Dyimkumt/Dialects|hebertan tribe dialects]]. The most uncommon way is to pronounce a bilabial click, ([ʘ]) which can be found in the [[Dyimkumt/Dialects|unkisa dialect]], a very small and weird dialect.

Another mix up between dialects is whether you have a apostrophe before every tense identifier, or in between every tense identifier. For my purposes, I will use the cyangeuhen standards, having an apostrophe before

==Vocabulary==


==Swadesh list==


==Example texts==


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User talk:Waahlis

2013-03-03T20:50:37Z

Conlang: /* Guess who */

<div style="float: right; max-width: 200px; font-size: 88%; line-height: 150%; margin-top: -1em; margin-left: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;">__TOC__</div>
<div style="width: 350px; border: 2px solid white; background: white; padding: 1em; -moz-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 3px 3px #; box-shadow: 0 0 3px 3px #;">
<div style="font-size: 20pt; text-align: center; color: #3366BB; margin-top: 0.3em; margin-bottom: 0.3em;">'''προειδοποίηση!'''</div>

* If you leave a message here, I will reply '''here'''.
* If I left you a message, I will reply on your '''[[Special:MyTalk|talk page]]'''.
* '''Sign''' your post with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>)
* Keep your title '''short'''. Alternatively '''funny'''.
* You leave messages in any language you see fit; that is, languages I have a chance at understanding.

<div style="margin-top: 1em; padding-top: 0.3em; font-size: 70%; border-top: 1px solid #3E3E3E;">'''Archives''' [[User talk:Waahlis/1|1]] · [[User talk:Waahlis/2|2]] · [[User talk:Waahlis/3|3]] · [[User talk:Waahlis/4|4]] · [[User talk:Waahlis/5|5]]</div></div>

== Burumbi ==

Does my conlang start to make much sense now? I feel like I am missing something vital. [[User:Mboso|Mboso]] ([[User talk:Mboso|talk]]) 00:09, 12 January 2013 (CET)

#How is stress realised?
#Subordinate clauses
#Modality

A few things to work on =) [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 06:57, 12 January 2013 (CET)

I think it is starting to look excellent! Although I agree with Zelos on the first two points as rather vital, that is, that you ought to mention stress (if any), as well as the syntax of sentences, the modality could be a later concern. Adpositions and conjunctions (if any) is a matter to consider.

One matter that could be tended is examples - reading an article with sample sentences is always more interesting, and it conveys important information. Usage is another subject - you have a few cases and a lot of verb inflections - when are they used, can they convey different meanings depending on context? The definitions often differ between languages.

This all depends on the panned extent of your language - I for one would have implemented a bit of allophony, though a language does more than fine without it.

Sincerely, [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 11:43, 12 January 2013 (CET)

What the Wall said, as for stress it can be realised in multitude of ways, volume, vowel change, pitch, etc. :D I like pitch-accent systems [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 15:17, 12 January 2013 (CET)
Okay, I recognized stress, allophony, verb, and inflections. Give me a few days to read about the others on Wikipedia and I'll get back. However, I can talk about allophony right now: since it's not intended to actually be spoken by anyone, I don't see much need to work on it,and, as was pointed out, some languages have managed to make do without it. [[User:Mboso|Mboso]] ([[User talk:Mboso|talk]]) 18:32, 16 January 2013 (CET)

== RfA initiated 15/01/2013 ==

A request for arbitration concerning you has been initiated at [[Linguifex:Arbitration/Requests/Case]]. [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]]''' 23:17, 15 January 2013 (CET)

== ¿Lo has hecho tú también mientras aprendebas lenguas? ==

¡Hola! ¿Todo bien? Hoy estaba aquí en mi casa con dos amigas mías de la universidad y, mientras hablábamos entre nosotros, hemos inventado una expresión (sueca y después la hemos traducido en varias lenguas que estudiamos) que no tiene - o así creemos - ningún significado, pero se lo hemos dado nosotros:

''{{purple|Du är (en stor/färsk) nöt}}'' o ''{{purple|Din jävla nöt!}}''

Y con esas expresiones hemos traducido la oración sueca ''{{green|Du är forryckt/galen}}''. Sabemos que se dice así, pero, de todas formas, nos ha gustado inventar y usar esa expresión. Además mi amiga y yo, cuando hicimos el primer curso de sueco (hace 4 años), escuchamos por primera vez la palabra ''{{green|köra}}'' y nos gustó tanto que desde entonces la usamos en cambio de ''{{green|kär}}'', hemos creado sustantivos también: ''{{purple|köra}}'' con plural ''{{purple|köror}}'' para las mujeres y ''{{purple|köre}}'' con plural ''{{purple|körar}}'' para los hombres. Con estas palabras entendimos ''{{green|skatt}}'' :P Cuando uno difunde este uso de la palabra ''{{purple|köra}}'' como nosotros la entendimos y de su derivados, nosotros decimos que él o ella es un o una ''{{purple|köraförande}}'', aunque ''{{green|förande}}'' significa "presidente" y no "usuario"... Ahahahah, sé bien que ahora pareceré tonto, pero, hablando con otra gente que estudia otras lenguas, he descubierto que muchas personas juegan así con las palabras que aprenden e incluso crean nuevas palabras que en la lengua original no tienen (o tienen otro) sentido :) ¿Lo has hecho tú también mientras aprendebas lenguas? Si lo has hecho, ¿lo haces ahora también cuando aprendes otras? :) [[File:Llyn.png|35px|link=User:Llyn]] '''[[User talk:Llyn|Llyn]]''' 22:12, 18 January 2013 (CET)

¡Dioses, paciencia, tesoro, paciencia! ¡No he tenido tiempo para responder! Llamar personas ''{{green|nötter}}'' de verdad existe en Suecia, y es un insulto. Quizá hay insultos más ofensivos, solamente digo que no lo digas a desconocidos... ;) Es interesante saber que la palabra ''{{green|nöt}}'' como insulto tiene otro género gramaticamente a ciertas personas. Entonces se puede decir {{red|ditt jävla nöt}}. Es que no sé si es una característica de sueco estándar, o si es regional. De todos maneras, usar el género neutro normalmente es un poquito más ofensivo. Decir "det" en la tercera persona cuando se está hablando de gente, es bastante malo...

¡Jajaja! Lamento decir que jamás he hecho lo que me dices! XD No te preocupes, no me parece tonto, solamente... original... :P Pero recuerdo que creé la palabra "fútbolla" en español - casi homofónico con la palabra "fotboja" - "grillete (?)"! :P

Si quieres saber las propias palabras relacionadas con ''{{green|kär}}'', son ''{{green|käresta}}'' para mujeres, y ''{{green|käraste}}'' para hombres o mujeres! :) [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 16:17, 22 January 2013 (CET)

No borré la pregunta porque no tengo paciencia, sino que pensaba que no habías contestado porque te parecía una tontería descomunal :( Entonces decidí borrar lo único que pudiera subrayar mi supuesta tontería :( [[File:Llyn.png|35px|link=User:Llyn]] '''[[User talk:Llyn|Llyn]]''' 20:27, 04 February 2013 (CET)

Sospeché que si... ;) No te preocupes, yo también hago tonterías...! ¡Y si aprender y adaptar idiomas sería tonterías, no querría vivir! [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 19:08, 5 February 2013 (CET)

Du är söt! Tack så mycket för dina ord! [[File:Llyn.png|35px|link=User:Llyn]] '''[[User talk:Llyn|Llyn]]''' 23:54, 11 February 2013 (CET)

==Vandalism==
Check my talk page. 19:30, 20 January 2013 (CET) [[User_talk:Herr Dunkel|'''Er Dessen Name Nicht Genannt Werden Darf''']]

== Tables ==

WAAHLIS! you screwed up the tables again! [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 20:24, 20 January 2013 (CET)

Ooopsies! I thought I hadnṭ added anything of value there! Sorry! :P [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 20:27, 20 January 2013 (CET)

Light the torches and fetch the pitchforks!

It's alright man, this place is chaotic lately. [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 20:52, 20 January 2013 (CET)

But I just cleaned them... :(

Yeah, so it seems... Very well, speaking of which; would you mind taking a look at the last message I left at Chrys? [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 21:02, 20 January 2013 (CET)

== Template:term ==

I propose to keep "term" as it enhances legibility of contionary markup. It may be sort of redundant but it makes reading through texts a lot easier on the eyes. [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]]''' 22:27, 20 January 2013 (CET)

I disagree. Cw, for "contionary word", is simply more compressed. I would even suggest a Template:C. And being easy on the eyes is surely not a problem when processing wiki markup. [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 22:38, 20 January 2013 (CET)

The main reason for using wiki markup is for enhanced legibility and ease of use, thus instead of using <pre><a href="linguifex.com/?title=Contionary:word>word</a></pre> we usually write <pre>[[Contionary:word|word]]</pre>

Continuing from that, the prefix "cw" isn't instantly recognisable compared to "term" which is but 2 characters longer but adds an instantly transparent meaning.

Cf. <pre>
===Etymology ===
{{term|cóm-}} + {{term|seneir}}
</pre>

with

<pre>
===Etymology ===
{{cw|cóm-}} + {{cw|seneir}}
</pre>

Of course I see the benefit of having a short short version for when linking in mainspace articles/talk pages as in <nowiki>{{cw|dón}}</nowiki> where editing of the wikicode might not be a very relevant factor.

As a compromise of sorts I propose keeping <pre>{{template|term}}</pre> in the Contionary article main space and <pre>{{template|cw}}</pre> used outside.

[[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]]''' 23:05, 20 January 2013 (CET)

Surely, this could have been compressed into a few words. I stand by my second suggestion - using Template:C. Whilst you are correct in that "term" is very transparent, I do not acknowledge the logic behind using an abbreviation in the main namespace, and a full one in the contionary namespace proper. Besides, the word "term" is typologically unfavourable, having no less than three adjacent letters on a QWERTY keyboard. This almost encourages typographical errors and thus faulty links.

I am still not in accord, and I await your response on DA. [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 23:25, 20 January 2013 (CET)

Hum? The logic I tried to explain was that reading/editing contionary entries is simplified (thus making it easier for new editors etc.) as transparency increases; on the other hand, when wanting to say link a word from a language article a short one-character template is more favourable, even more so as it is similar to existing interwiki linking. Thus in the contionary, according to my proposal, we would find “term” inline which makes contextual sense for the source code of a dictionary entry while “c”/“cw” (for "Contionary/Contionary word")in an article in the main namespace, where it makes contextual sense. Am I making any sense? It's why I argue for there being duple templates.

I personally have not encountered any issues when writing the word term or any similar word such as where/were (three adjacent letters) and am thus sceptical of it being an encouraging factor of typographical errors.

Also, I have responded on DA. [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]]''' 00:24, 21 January 2013 (CET)

The Etymology thing will be resolved by me! :P [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 07:21, 21 January 2013 (CET)

== Contionary ==

is the standard contionary outlay done? [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 17:41, 22 January 2013 (CET)

Yes, see {{c|ethnema}}. Create a [[Template:New/contionary]] to be generated at buttons, as well, if you will! :) [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 18:07, 22 January 2013 (CET)

I'd recommend enclosing the more bonus tags such as "derived terms" "antonyms" "synonyms" in HTML comments so we don't get a lot of new entries with "antonyms" "synonyms" "hypernyms" all empty… ;P [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]]''' 22:55, 22 January 2013 (CET)

==Vandalism, Take Two==
So, am I guilty yet? 13:34, 2 February 2013 (CET) [[User_talk:Herr Dunkel|'''Er Dessen Name Nicht Genannt Werden Darf''']]

The administrators' discussions have concluded, and administrator Chrysophylax will leave a message at your discussion page. [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 14:25, 2 February 2013 (CET)

== DA ==

Kolla den [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 16:13, 2 February 2013 (CET)

Igen [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 18:18, 2 February 2013 (CET)

== Äntligen ==

Nu blir det fan lite lugn igen och vi kan gå tillbaka att få skit att funka igen. Vi måste jobba ut nu hur fan vi agerar som admins här. [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 14:12, 3 February 2013 (CET)

Whaalis, I suggest all of us admins design some sort of guide/rules how we go about shit when it comes to things like volde [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 15:20, 5 February 2013 (CET)

I'll consider a policy or the like when Vandalism's done. :) We could go by praxis, but I don't think you'd like that... :P [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 18:55, 5 February 2013 (CET)

after the humongous fuckup on this, I want something written that I can shove in others faces because I find how this was resolved unacceptable. [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 19:15, 5 February 2013 (CET)

== Names ==

Think there is something behind the latest wave of registrations? [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 20:10, 12 February 2013 (CET)

No, I actually don't. It'd be unnecessarily difficult to create such cannon fodder accounts. Also, they're not personal enough. :/ [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 20:43, 12 February 2013 (CET)

I don't know, you might have a point. Btw great work on the new front page [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 21:40, 12 February 2013 (CET)

Thank you! :D Although I'm eager to launch it, I need to fix a few things tomorrow. It ought to get done then. :) [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 22:57, 12 February 2013 (CET)

the dots are fucked up [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 15:52, 13 February 2013 (CET)

== Two things ==

#Do we really have to include wikia on our frontpage? It is a dirrty stain on an otherwise magnificient masterpiece
#I think Wannabe should get a medal for being so productive [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 07:34, 16 February 2013 (CET)

#I shall see if I can replace it with something better. And thanks!
#And yes, he should! I shall make a medal/badge for him!

[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 08:09, 16 February 2013 (CET)

#Take wikibooks because htey have a conlang section
#SPlendid! :D

[[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 13:54, 16 February 2013 (CET)

== When ==

When the fuck are we going to go about this whole thing that happened? How it all was handled was not in anyway acceptable and we need to establish a model of how things are dealt with between us admins. [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 17:26, 22 February 2013 (CET)

Don't you think its about time? [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 16:09, 23 February 2013 (CET)

I do not have as strong feelings about it as you do, as I'm sure you know. However, yes, but we need to await Chrysophylax firstly. If you have suggestions, you could start sketching on a proposal? [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 18:01, 23 February 2013 (CET)

Of course I feel strongely, I feel like I was bypassed just because he felt it was fitting. If thats how shit works then I see no point being an admin as whats the point if it will be ignored?

I will sketch on one, that will be my contribution until further notice. [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 18:19, 23 February 2013 (CET)

== Scriptual Bible ==

[[Guide:Script]] Whatcha think? WIP of course [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 14:55, 26 February 2013 (CET)

You know what? I quite like it! A few grammatical and orthographical tweaks, and I like it a lot! However! - You might want to change the name to Guide:Writing system. My first thought was that it treated code or the like. :P [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 12:16, 3 March 2013 (CET)

Feel free to move it!

But I am not done with it, but thank you :) I thought the personal touch to it would be good [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 13:01, 3 March 2013 (CET)

I will do so then. And yes. It is quite enjoyable to read. I might change the formatting (bold, cursive et.c.). [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 13:24, 3 March 2013 (CET)

Shoot for it, thats what a wiki is for! [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 13:32, 3 March 2013 (CET)

== Guess who ==

I'm back! 
After conlanging on and off for a while, I decided to revisit! :P

A lot has changed! The main page looks awesome, I presume that was you who made it. I saw no change in the comlang, I think we might prefer to start over again and make a new comlang from what we have here. I'll work on my conlang some, but will probably need some help with it though.

Any I updates I need?
 [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 22:58, 1 March 2013 (CET)

PS Sorry for kinda just running out on you, with me, I'm interested in something a lot of some time, stop for a while, and then come back. That's just me.

As always, you're welcome here! And there was no running out, everyone have their remissions sometimes! ;)

Thank you for the compliment on the main page! If you have suggestions for it, just tell me, and I'll see what I can do! The comlang has been a bit lonely for a while, since Olykoek is inactive, MOB is in France and I've been alone...! :P

Regarding that, you might be interested in the fact that we've got a [[Special:WikiForum|brand new forum]]! That's what happened basically. A few more regular users.

Sincerely, [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 12:21, 3 March 2013 (CET)

Do you want to put the comlang on the new forum? I'd be glad to pass around idea with you and any one who wants to join.
 [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 21:50, 3 March 2013 (CET)

User talk:EmperorZelos

2013-03-02T20:11:03Z

Conlang: /* Hi, again */

{{Welcome}}
[[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]]''' Default message aside, welcome :D Perhaps once you've gotten all comfy and settled the mysterious maintenance gnomes will bestow the magistrate upon thee. ;) [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]]''' 15:53, 12 November 2012 (CET)

It is demanded now so my conquest of the internet can proceed! :P

No worries but if you want my template skills utilized it tends to help being able to move around rather freely. [[User:EmperorZelos|EmperorZelos]] ([[User talk:EmperorZelos|talk]]) 15:55, 12 November 2012 (CET)

Holy shit shit needs to be wrked on xD as soon as I can I will start going crazy on getting thigns up to standard with templates and all.

I have placed the following message at the walls of a dozen prominent members:

''This site is being evacuated, due to the extended period of downage. We are instead moving to the more stable host [http://linguifex.com/index.php/Main_Page Linguifex]. Work is under way importing and adapting the wiki to our needs. We'd therefore be truly happy should you decide to export your language there! :D''

''All the best, ''
/[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' ''and the rest of the administration.''

[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 22:08, 12 November 2012 (CET)

== Vandalism attacks ==

[[User:CARNALia]]: https://apps.db.ripe.net/search/query.html?searchtext=46.38.63.101&flags=&sources=RIPE_NCC&grssources=&inverse=&types=#resultsAnchor

[[User:Fragol]]: http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-199-236-0-0-1 —> Traces to network owner Akamai, Cambridge, Massachusetts. (whut.)

Do we know any North Americans/Russians that would have something against us? [[User:Admin|——— Gnomes.]] ([[User talk:Admin|talk]]) 13:37, 13 November 2012 (CET)

I know only one person, though it should be in Serbia then but he could mask his IP or something. Rostov is the name he goes by [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 13:42, 13 November 2012 (CET)

:Hm, doesn't sound like Rostov-na-don from what has been experienced of him (gnomes speaking). Nor do the IPs match-up. I'll keep an eye out. Or eight. [[User:Admin|——— Gnomes.]] ([[User talk:Admin|talk]]) 13:49, 13 November 2012 (CET)

Spider?

He is the only one I know of, anyone else I cannot think of [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 13:51, 13 November 2012 (CET)

Gnomes. Four of us. [[User:Admin|——— Gnomes.]] ([[User talk:Admin|talk]]) 14:42, 13 November 2012 (CET)

I like my hypothesis better, you being a spider :P [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 14:43, 13 November 2012 (CET)

{{Gnomes/hh-med-ubx}}{{clear}} Cute, isn't it? We have awarded it to [[User:Kaenif]]. [[User:Admin|——— Gnomes.]] ([[User talk:Admin|talk]]) 16:03, 13 November 2012 (CET)

wee bit cliché, it needs to be language related! :P

But good non-the-less. [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 16:35, 13 November 2012 (CET)

I really do struggle find the joy in such attacks. [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 17:25, 13 November 2012 (CET)

There is none, but lets make htis the best Conlang wiki there is

== Your AT templates. ==

These AT templates of yours should not be listed in any other category than <nowiki>[[Category:Experimental]]</nowiki> until they are accepted by the community or administration by voting. I have changed a lot of them, but the rest is up to you. [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 19:37, 13 November 2012 (CET)

== Userboxes ==

Something made them be all ugly. Do you know if anyone has messed with the CSS lately? I can't seem to find any changes that could explain the sudden eugh. [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]]''' 20:16, 13 November 2012 (CET)

Nope, it worked after i had with the CSS to do yesterday or the day before, but Waahlis have been going crazy with his work so he probably accidently stumbled upon some cord he shouldn't have pulled [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 20:18, 13 November 2012 (CET)

Most probably, I've moved a template. I couldn't be bothered with redirects, so by changing a template in the Template:Usebox, you should be fine. [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 20:32, 13 November 2012 (CET)

Light the torches and fetch the pitchforks and let's bring mob justice to Waahlis!

<nowiki>:P</nowiki>
[[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 20:34, 13 November 2012 (CET)

I've got firepower enough to keep all of you out of my house! [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 20:35, 13 November 2012 (CET)

== Vote and discussion and opinions and miscellaneous ==

Hey, you! Yeah, you!

I call for a vote!
[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 13:43, 5 January 2013 (CET)

== Scandinavian Rivalry ==

Here's what I say to it! <url>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuKgtqP8kr8</url>

I don't get it... :( Should I? :( [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 21:08, 20 January 2013 (CET)

== Contionary testing grounds ==

Hi!

As requested, here's the contionary testing ground for you: {{cw|ethnema}}.

Translations are left out, but feel free to add a section! If you could enable the tables they have on wiktionary that'd be great, as well! :D
[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 21:15, 20 January 2013 (CET)

How is like we had on the old wiki? it is the only one I can do without more java [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 21:10, 20 January 2013 (CET)

I see. I am no good with coding, so I didn't now... :/ Well, if so it is excellent!

[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 21:15, 20 January 2013 (CET)

I want the whole add shit thing, but we need to java....HILLBILLY! you do that [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 21:30, 20 January 2013 (CET)

1. http://kb.mozillazine.org/JavaScript_is_not_Java

2. The huge/complex script at wiktionary is at the moment out of reach for my skill set. I am not particularly good at JS at all. So, again, I reiterate Waahlis' suggestion. Let's have a nice cookie-chat with the wiktionary people. [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]]''' 22:32, 20 January 2013 (CET)

You're right, they are not the same. I am just lazy.

But You do it how you want/can, I'll fix the templates around as thats my field :) [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 22:34, 20 January 2013 (CET)

I'm great at JavaScript. If you need anything with it, I'll be glad to help. I, actually use JS more than any other programming language, so...
 [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 21:07, 2 March 2013 (CET)

== New front ==

Changed it again. Tell me what you think. :) [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 15:49, 13 February 2013 (CET):

<wikiforumthread id=23 />

Heeelloooouu....! [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 11:16, 15 February 2013 (CET)

HIII! looks awesome [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 18:16, 15 February 2013 (CET)

Excellent. I'll interpret that as having the administration on my side. I declare Faccia our new Main page! [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 21:57, 15 February 2013 (CET)

== Hi, again ==

Well, hello.

I'm back.

To conlang.

How are you?

What did I miss?

(Why am I spacing the sentences out? :P)

But, seriously, what can I help with?

 [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 00:50, 2 March 2013 (CET)

I am fine, thank you, glad to have you back.

You can help by making articles, check out my guide for con-scripts and such :) [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 07:26, 2 March 2013 (CET)

Yea, I saw your script guide. I do have to say, it was really good.

Is there any specific articles or type of articles you need help with?
 [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 19:05, 2 March 2013 (CET)

Anything you have knowledge in :) [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 19:08, 2 March 2013 (CET)

Maybe the wiki could benefit a wiki code guide that you could help with. It took a long time to get a resource for that, and now I can't find it.
 [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 21:11, 2 March 2013 (CET)

User talk:EmperorZelos

2013-03-02T20:07:34Z

Conlang: /* Contionary testing grounds */

Dyimkumt

2013-03-02T18:07:32Z

Conlang: /* Phonotactics */

{{Construction}}
{{ClassMeter
| Name = Dyimkumt
| NativeName = Dyimkumt
| Type = 
| Alignment = Tripartite

|adjective = final
|adposition =
|adverb =
|article =
|relativeclause =
|nounclause =
|order = SVO
| Tonal = no
| Declensions = yes
| Conjugations = yes
| Genders = none
| Nouns decline according to...
| Case = no
| NNumber = yes
| Definiteness = no
| Gender = no
| Verbs conjugate according to...
| Voice = no
| Mood = no
| Person = no
| VNumber = no
| Tense = yes
| Aspect = no
|To what degree, from 0 to 100 where 100 is fully completed, is the respective part completed?
|Phonology = 100
|NounCases = 100
|NounDef = 100
|NounNumbers =0
|NounGender = 100
|VerbPerson = 100
|VerbNumber = 100
|VerbAspect = 100
|VerbTense =0
|VerbMood = 100
|VerbVoice = 100
|AdjCase = 100
|AdjNumber = 100
|AdjDef = 100
|AdjGen = 0
|AdjComparative =0
|AdjSuperlative =0
|Supine =0
|Gerund =0
|Participle =0
|Infinitive =0
|Modality =0
|Words = 50
}}

==General information==


==Phonology==
===Consonants===
{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" class="wikitable article-table" style="width: 1000px; text-align:center;"
! style="width: 68px; "|
! style="width: 68px; " |Bilabial
! style="width: 68px; " |Labio-dental
! style="width: 68px; " |Dental
! style="width: 68px; " |Alveolar
! style="width: 68px; " |Post-Alveolar
! style="width: 68px; " |Alveolo-palatal
! style="width: 68px; " |Palatal
! style="width: 68px; " |Velar
! style="width: 68px; " |Labial-velar
! style="width: 68px; " |Glottal
|-
! style="" |Nasal
| m
|
|
| n
|
|
|
| ŋ
|
|
|-
! style="" |Plosive
| p b
|
|
| t d
|
|
|
| k g
|
|
|-
! style="" |Fricative
|
| f v
| θ ð
| s z
| ʃ
| ɕʰ
|
|
|
| h
|-
! style="" |Affricate
|
|
|
|
| dʒ
|
|
|
|
|
|-
! style="" |Approximant
|
|
|
| r
|
|
| j
|
| w
|
|-
! style="" |Lateral app.
|
|
|
| l
|
|
|
|
|
|
|}

===Vowels===
{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" class="wikitable article-table" style="width: 540px; text-align:center"
! style="width: 90px; "|
! style="width: 90px; "|Front
! style="width: 90px; "|Near-front
! style="width: 90px; "|Central
! style="width: 90px; "|Near-back
! style="width: 90px; "|Back
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Close
| i
|
|
|
| u
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Near-close
|
| ɪ
|
| ʊ
|
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Close-mid
| e
|
|
|
| o
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Mid
|
|
| ə
|
|
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Open-mid
|
|
|
|
|
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Near-open
|
|
|
|
|
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Open
| a
|
|
|
|
|}

Diphthongs:
*au [aʊ]
*ei [ei]
*ui [ʊi]
*ou [oʊ]
*eu [eu]
*yy1 [i]

#yy technically isn't a diphthong.

===Writing to Phonotactics===

The alphabet for Dyimkumt is relatively simple:

{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" class="wikitable article-table" style="width: 1300px; text-align:center;"
!colspan="2"|Upper case
!colspan="2"|A
!colspan="2"|B
!colspan="6"|C
!colspan="2"|D
!colspan="2"|E
!colspan="2"|F
!colspan="2"|G
!colspan="2"|H
!colspan="2"|I
!colspan="2"|J
!colspan="2"|K
!colspan="2"|L
!colspan="2"|M
!colspan="2"|N
!colspan="2"|O
!colspan="2"|P
!colspan="2"|R
!colspan="2"|S
!colspan="4"|T
!colspan="2"|U
!colspan="2"|V
!colspan="2"|W
!colspan="2"|Y
!colspan="2"|Z
|-
!colspan="2"|Lower case
|colspan="2"|a
|colspan="2"|b
|colspan="6"|c
|colspan="2"|d
|colspan="2"|e
|colspan="2"|f
|colspan="2"|g
|colspan="2"|h
|colspan="2"|i
|colspan="2"|j
|colspan="2"|k
|colspan="2"|l
|colspan="2"|m
|colspan="2"|n
|colspan="2"|o
|colspan="2"|p
|colspan="2"|r
|colspan="2"|s
|colspan="4"|t
|colspan="2"|u
|colspan="2"|v
|colspan="2"|w
|colspan="2"|y
|colspan="2"|z
|-
!rowspan="2"|IPA
!Normal IPA
|colspan="2"|[a]
|colspan="2"|[b]
|colspan="6"|[ɕʰ]
|colspan="2"|[d]
|colspan="2"|[e]
|colspan="2"|[f]
|colspan="2"|[g]
|colspan="2"|[h]
|colspan="2"|[ɪ]
|colspan="2"|[dʒ]
|colspan="2"|[k]
|colspan="2"|[l]
|colspan="2"|[m]
|colspan="2"|[n]
|colspan="2"|[o]
|colspan="2"|[p]
|colspan="2"|[ɹ]
|colspan="2"|[s]
|colspan="4"|[t]
|colspan="2"|[u]
|colspan="2"|[v]
|colspan="2"|[w]
|colspan="2"|[ɪ]
|colspan="2"|[z]
|-
!Exceptions in the IPA
|y_
|[ə]
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="6"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|y_
|[a]
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|y_
|[i]
|V_ or _V
|[j]
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|_h
|[ʃ]
|#_h
|[θ]
|_h and not #_
|[ð]
|y_
|[ʊ]
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|_V and not _y
|[j]
|colspan="2"|--
|}
This uses the SCA syntax. If you don't know of this, here is a little bit of information:
{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" class="wikitable article-table" style="width: 300px; text-align:center;"
!colspan="2"|Key
|-
|_
|the character
|-
|#
|start(when it is placed before the string) or end(when it is placed before the string)
|-
|(...)
|could be
|}

===Phonotactics===


The syllable pattern is "C[yV/r[V/D]/V/D]N"(using awkword syntax), where C is a constant, V is a vowel, D is a vowel diphthong, and N is a nasal.

==Basic grammar==

===Dialects===
In Dyimkumt, you naturally group subject and verbs together as well as tense identifiers. All of of these you do with an apostrophe, which, verbally, can be spoken different ways. One way is to "invert" the aspiration on the next constant,(common to [[Dyimkumt/Dialects|cyangeuhen dialect]]) like 't would be pronounced [tʰ], 'c, the exception, would now not be aspirated because it naturally is aspirated. Another way is to pronounce a glottal stop, common to most [[Dyimkumt/Dialects|hebertan tribe dialects]]. The most uncommon way is to pronounce a bilabial click, ([ʘ]) which can be found in the [[Dyimkumt/Dialects|unkisa dialect]], a very small and weird dialect.

Another mix up between dialects is whether you have a apostrophe before every tense identifier, or in between every tense identifier. For my purposes, I will use the cyangeuhen standards, having an apostrophe before

==Vocabulary==


==Swadesh list==


==Example texts==


[[Category:Conlangs]]
[[Category:Languages]]

User talk:EmperorZelos

2013-03-02T18:05:01Z

Conlang: /* Hi, again */

{{Welcome}}
[[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]]''' Default message aside, welcome :D Perhaps once you've gotten all comfy and settled the mysterious maintenance gnomes will bestow the magistrate upon thee. ;) [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]]''' 15:53, 12 November 2012 (CET)

It is demanded now so my conquest of the internet can proceed! :P

No worries but if you want my template skills utilized it tends to help being able to move around rather freely. [[User:EmperorZelos|EmperorZelos]] ([[User talk:EmperorZelos|talk]]) 15:55, 12 November 2012 (CET)

Holy shit shit needs to be wrked on xD as soon as I can I will start going crazy on getting thigns up to standard with templates and all.

I have placed the following message at the walls of a dozen prominent members:

''This site is being evacuated, due to the extended period of downage. We are instead moving to the more stable host [http://linguifex.com/index.php/Main_Page Linguifex]. Work is under way importing and adapting the wiki to our needs. We'd therefore be truly happy should you decide to export your language there! :D''

''All the best, ''
/[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' ''and the rest of the administration.''

[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 22:08, 12 November 2012 (CET)

== Vandalism attacks ==

[[User:CARNALia]]: https://apps.db.ripe.net/search/query.html?searchtext=46.38.63.101&flags=&sources=RIPE_NCC&grssources=&inverse=&types=#resultsAnchor

[[User:Fragol]]: http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-199-236-0-0-1 —> Traces to network owner Akamai, Cambridge, Massachusetts. (whut.)

Do we know any North Americans/Russians that would have something against us? [[User:Admin|——— Gnomes.]] ([[User talk:Admin|talk]]) 13:37, 13 November 2012 (CET)

I know only one person, though it should be in Serbia then but he could mask his IP or something. Rostov is the name he goes by [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 13:42, 13 November 2012 (CET)

:Hm, doesn't sound like Rostov-na-don from what has been experienced of him (gnomes speaking). Nor do the IPs match-up. I'll keep an eye out. Or eight. [[User:Admin|——— Gnomes.]] ([[User talk:Admin|talk]]) 13:49, 13 November 2012 (CET)

Spider?

He is the only one I know of, anyone else I cannot think of [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 13:51, 13 November 2012 (CET)

Gnomes. Four of us. [[User:Admin|——— Gnomes.]] ([[User talk:Admin|talk]]) 14:42, 13 November 2012 (CET)

I like my hypothesis better, you being a spider :P [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 14:43, 13 November 2012 (CET)

{{Gnomes/hh-med-ubx}}{{clear}} Cute, isn't it? We have awarded it to [[User:Kaenif]]. [[User:Admin|——— Gnomes.]] ([[User talk:Admin|talk]]) 16:03, 13 November 2012 (CET)

wee bit cliché, it needs to be language related! :P

But good non-the-less. [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 16:35, 13 November 2012 (CET)

I really do struggle find the joy in such attacks. [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 17:25, 13 November 2012 (CET)

There is none, but lets make htis the best Conlang wiki there is

== Your AT templates. ==

These AT templates of yours should not be listed in any other category than <nowiki>[[Category:Experimental]]</nowiki> until they are accepted by the community or administration by voting. I have changed a lot of them, but the rest is up to you. [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 19:37, 13 November 2012 (CET)

== Userboxes ==

Something made them be all ugly. Do you know if anyone has messed with the CSS lately? I can't seem to find any changes that could explain the sudden eugh. [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]]''' 20:16, 13 November 2012 (CET)

Nope, it worked after i had with the CSS to do yesterday or the day before, but Waahlis have been going crazy with his work so he probably accidently stumbled upon some cord he shouldn't have pulled [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 20:18, 13 November 2012 (CET)

Most probably, I've moved a template. I couldn't be bothered with redirects, so by changing a template in the Template:Usebox, you should be fine. [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 20:32, 13 November 2012 (CET)

Light the torches and fetch the pitchforks and let's bring mob justice to Waahlis!

<nowiki>:P</nowiki>
[[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 20:34, 13 November 2012 (CET)

I've got firepower enough to keep all of you out of my house! [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 20:35, 13 November 2012 (CET)

== Vote and discussion and opinions and miscellaneous ==

Hey, you! Yeah, you!

I call for a vote!
[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 13:43, 5 January 2013 (CET)

== Scandinavian Rivalry ==

Here's what I say to it! <url>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuKgtqP8kr8</url>

I don't get it... :( Should I? :( [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 21:08, 20 January 2013 (CET)

== Contionary testing grounds ==

Hi!

As requested, here's the contionary testing ground for you: {{cw|ethnema}}.

Translations are left out, but feel free to add a section! If you could enable the tables they have on wiktionary that'd be great, as well! :D
[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 21:15, 20 January 2013 (CET)

How is like we had on the old wiki? it is the only one I can do without more java [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 21:10, 20 January 2013 (CET)

I see. I am no good with coding, so I didn't now... :/ Well, if so it is excellent!

[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 21:15, 20 January 2013 (CET)

I want the whole add shit thing, but we need to java....HILLBILLY! you do that [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 21:30, 20 January 2013 (CET)

1. http://kb.mozillazine.org/JavaScript_is_not_Java

2. The huge/complex script at wiktionary is at the moment out of reach for my skill set. I am not particularly good at JS at all. So, again, I reiterate Waahlis' suggestion. Let's have a nice cookie-chat with the wiktionary people. [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]]''' 22:32, 20 January 2013 (CET)

You're right, they are not the same. I am just lazy.

But You do it how you want/can, I'll fix the templates around as thats my field :) [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 22:34, 20 January 2013 (CET)

== New front ==

Changed it again. Tell me what you think. :) [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 15:49, 13 February 2013 (CET):

<wikiforumthread id=23 />

Heeelloooouu....! [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 11:16, 15 February 2013 (CET)

HIII! looks awesome [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 18:16, 15 February 2013 (CET)

Excellent. I'll interpret that as having the administration on my side. I declare Faccia our new Main page! [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 21:57, 15 February 2013 (CET)

== Hi, again ==

Well, hello.

I'm back.

To conlang.

How are you?

What did I miss?

(Why am I spacing the sentences out? :P)

But, seriously, what can I help with?

 [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 00:50, 2 March 2013 (CET)

I am fine, thank you, glad to have you back.

You can help by making articles, check out my guide for con-scripts and such :) [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 07:26, 2 March 2013 (CET)

Yea, I saw your script guide. I do have to say, it was really good.

Is there any specific articles or type of articles you need help with?
 [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 19:05, 2 March 2013 (CET)

User:Conlang

2013-03-02T03:26:39Z

Conlang:

User talk:EmperorZelos

2013-03-01T23:50:43Z

Conlang: /* Hi, again */ new section

{{Welcome}}
[[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]]''' Default message aside, welcome :D Perhaps once you've gotten all comfy and settled the mysterious maintenance gnomes will bestow the magistrate upon thee. ;) [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]]''' 15:53, 12 November 2012 (CET)

It is demanded now so my conquest of the internet can proceed! :P

No worries but if you want my template skills utilized it tends to help being able to move around rather freely. [[User:EmperorZelos|EmperorZelos]] ([[User talk:EmperorZelos|talk]]) 15:55, 12 November 2012 (CET)

Holy shit shit needs to be wrked on xD as soon as I can I will start going crazy on getting thigns up to standard with templates and all.

I have placed the following message at the walls of a dozen prominent members:

''This site is being evacuated, due to the extended period of downage. We are instead moving to the more stable host [http://linguifex.com/index.php/Main_Page Linguifex]. Work is under way importing and adapting the wiki to our needs. We'd therefore be truly happy should you decide to export your language there! :D''

''All the best, ''
/[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' ''and the rest of the administration.''

[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 22:08, 12 November 2012 (CET)

== Vandalism attacks ==

[[User:CARNALia]]: https://apps.db.ripe.net/search/query.html?searchtext=46.38.63.101&flags=&sources=RIPE_NCC&grssources=&inverse=&types=#resultsAnchor

[[User:Fragol]]: http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-199-236-0-0-1 —> Traces to network owner Akamai, Cambridge, Massachusetts. (whut.)

Do we know any North Americans/Russians that would have something against us? [[User:Admin|——— Gnomes.]] ([[User talk:Admin|talk]]) 13:37, 13 November 2012 (CET)

I know only one person, though it should be in Serbia then but he could mask his IP or something. Rostov is the name he goes by [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 13:42, 13 November 2012 (CET)

:Hm, doesn't sound like Rostov-na-don from what has been experienced of him (gnomes speaking). Nor do the IPs match-up. I'll keep an eye out. Or eight. [[User:Admin|——— Gnomes.]] ([[User talk:Admin|talk]]) 13:49, 13 November 2012 (CET)

Spider?

He is the only one I know of, anyone else I cannot think of [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 13:51, 13 November 2012 (CET)

Gnomes. Four of us. [[User:Admin|——— Gnomes.]] ([[User talk:Admin|talk]]) 14:42, 13 November 2012 (CET)

I like my hypothesis better, you being a spider :P [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 14:43, 13 November 2012 (CET)

{{Gnomes/hh-med-ubx}}{{clear}} Cute, isn't it? We have awarded it to [[User:Kaenif]]. [[User:Admin|——— Gnomes.]] ([[User talk:Admin|talk]]) 16:03, 13 November 2012 (CET)

wee bit cliché, it needs to be language related! :P

But good non-the-less. [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 16:35, 13 November 2012 (CET)

I really do struggle find the joy in such attacks. [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 17:25, 13 November 2012 (CET)

There is none, but lets make htis the best Conlang wiki there is

== Your AT templates. ==

These AT templates of yours should not be listed in any other category than <nowiki>[[Category:Experimental]]</nowiki> until they are accepted by the community or administration by voting. I have changed a lot of them, but the rest is up to you. [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 19:37, 13 November 2012 (CET)

== Userboxes ==

Something made them be all ugly. Do you know if anyone has messed with the CSS lately? I can't seem to find any changes that could explain the sudden eugh. [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]]''' 20:16, 13 November 2012 (CET)

Nope, it worked after i had with the CSS to do yesterday or the day before, but Waahlis have been going crazy with his work so he probably accidently stumbled upon some cord he shouldn't have pulled [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 20:18, 13 November 2012 (CET)

Most probably, I've moved a template. I couldn't be bothered with redirects, so by changing a template in the Template:Usebox, you should be fine. [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 20:32, 13 November 2012 (CET)

Light the torches and fetch the pitchforks and let's bring mob justice to Waahlis!

<nowiki>:P</nowiki>
[[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 20:34, 13 November 2012 (CET)

I've got firepower enough to keep all of you out of my house! [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 20:35, 13 November 2012 (CET)

== Vote and discussion and opinions and miscellaneous ==

Hey, you! Yeah, you!

I call for a vote!
[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 13:43, 5 January 2013 (CET)

== Scandinavian Rivalry ==

Here's what I say to it! <url>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuKgtqP8kr8</url>

I don't get it... :( Should I? :( [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 21:08, 20 January 2013 (CET)

== Contionary testing grounds ==

Hi!

As requested, here's the contionary testing ground for you: {{cw|ethnema}}.

Translations are left out, but feel free to add a section! If you could enable the tables they have on wiktionary that'd be great, as well! :D
[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 21:15, 20 January 2013 (CET)

How is like we had on the old wiki? it is the only one I can do without more java [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 21:10, 20 January 2013 (CET)

I see. I am no good with coding, so I didn't now... :/ Well, if so it is excellent!

[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 21:15, 20 January 2013 (CET)

I want the whole add shit thing, but we need to java....HILLBILLY! you do that [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 21:30, 20 January 2013 (CET)

1. http://kb.mozillazine.org/JavaScript_is_not_Java

2. The huge/complex script at wiktionary is at the moment out of reach for my skill set. I am not particularly good at JS at all. So, again, I reiterate Waahlis' suggestion. Let's have a nice cookie-chat with the wiktionary people. [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]]''' 22:32, 20 January 2013 (CET)

You're right, they are not the same. I am just lazy.

But You do it how you want/can, I'll fix the templates around as thats my field :) [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 22:34, 20 January 2013 (CET)

== New front ==

Changed it again. Tell me what you think. :) [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 15:49, 13 February 2013 (CET):

<wikiforumthread id=23 />

Heeelloooouu....! [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 11:16, 15 February 2013 (CET)

HIII! looks awesome [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 18:16, 15 February 2013 (CET)

Excellent. I'll interpret that as having the administration on my side. I declare Faccia our new Main page! [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 21:57, 15 February 2013 (CET)

== Hi, again ==

Well, hello.

I'm back.

To conlang.

How are you?

What did I miss?

(Why am I spacing the sentences out? :P)

But, seriously, what can I help with?

 [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 00:50, 2 March 2013 (CET)

Dyimkumt

2013-03-01T23:43:47Z

Conlang:

{{Construction}}
{{ClassMeter
| Name = Dyimkumt
| NativeName = Dyimkumt
| Type = 
| Alignment = Tripartite

|adjective = final
|adposition =
|adverb =
|article =
|relativeclause =
|nounclause =
|order = SVO
| Tonal = no
| Declensions = yes
| Conjugations = yes
| Genders = none
| Nouns decline according to...
| Case = no
| NNumber = yes
| Definiteness = no
| Gender = no
| Verbs conjugate according to...
| Voice = no
| Mood = no
| Person = no
| VNumber = no
| Tense = yes
| Aspect = no
|To what degree, from 0 to 100 where 100 is fully completed, is the respective part completed?
|Phonology = 100
|NounCases = 100
|NounDef = 100
|NounNumbers =0
|NounGender = 100
|VerbPerson = 100
|VerbNumber = 100
|VerbAspect = 100
|VerbTense =0
|VerbMood = 100
|VerbVoice = 100
|AdjCase = 100
|AdjNumber = 100
|AdjDef = 100
|AdjGen = 0
|AdjComparative =0
|AdjSuperlative =0
|Supine =0
|Gerund =0
|Participle =0
|Infinitive =0
|Modality =0
|Words = 50
}}

==General information==


==Phonology==
===Consonants===
{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" class="wikitable article-table" style="width: 1000px; text-align:center;"
! style="width: 68px; "|
! style="width: 68px; " |Bilabial
! style="width: 68px; " |Labio-dental
! style="width: 68px; " |Dental
! style="width: 68px; " |Alveolar
! style="width: 68px; " |Post-Alveolar
! style="width: 68px; " |Alveolo-palatal
! style="width: 68px; " |Palatal
! style="width: 68px; " |Velar
! style="width: 68px; " |Labial-velar
! style="width: 68px; " |Glottal
|-
! style="" |Nasal
| m
|
|
| n
|
|
|
| ŋ
|
|
|-
! style="" |Plosive
| p b
|
|
| t d
|
|
|
| k g
|
|
|-
! style="" |Fricative
|
| f v
| θ ð
| s z
| ʃ
| ɕʰ
|
|
|
| h
|-
! style="" |Affricate
|
|
|
|
| dʒ
|
|
|
|
|
|-
! style="" |Approximant
|
|
|
| r
|
|
| j
|
| w
|
|-
! style="" |Lateral app.
|
|
|
| l
|
|
|
|
|
|
|}

===Vowels===
{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" class="wikitable article-table" style="width: 540px; text-align:center"
! style="width: 90px; "|
! style="width: 90px; "|Front
! style="width: 90px; "|Near-front
! style="width: 90px; "|Central
! style="width: 90px; "|Near-back
! style="width: 90px; "|Back
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Close
| i
|
|
|
| u
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Near-close
|
| ɪ
|
| ʊ
|
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Close-mid
| e
|
|
|
| o
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Mid
|
|
| ə
|
|
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Open-mid
|
|
|
|
|
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Near-open
|
|
|
|
|
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Open
| a
|
|
|
|
|}

Diphthongs:
*au [aʊ]
*ei [ei]
*ui [ʊi]
*ou [oʊ]
*eu [eu]
*yy1 [i]

#yy technically isn't a diphthong.

===Writing to Phonotactics===

The alphabet for Dyimkumt is relatively simple:

{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" class="wikitable article-table" style="width: 1300px; text-align:center;"
!colspan="2"|Upper case
!colspan="2"|A
!colspan="2"|B
!colspan="6"|C
!colspan="2"|D
!colspan="2"|E
!colspan="2"|F
!colspan="2"|G
!colspan="2"|H
!colspan="2"|I
!colspan="2"|J
!colspan="2"|K
!colspan="2"|L
!colspan="2"|M
!colspan="2"|N
!colspan="2"|O
!colspan="2"|P
!colspan="2"|R
!colspan="2"|S
!colspan="4"|T
!colspan="2"|U
!colspan="2"|V
!colspan="2"|W
!colspan="2"|Y
!colspan="2"|Z
|-
!colspan="2"|Lower case
|colspan="2"|a
|colspan="2"|b
|colspan="6"|c
|colspan="2"|d
|colspan="2"|e
|colspan="2"|f
|colspan="2"|g
|colspan="2"|h
|colspan="2"|i
|colspan="2"|j
|colspan="2"|k
|colspan="2"|l
|colspan="2"|m
|colspan="2"|n
|colspan="2"|o
|colspan="2"|p
|colspan="2"|r
|colspan="2"|s
|colspan="4"|t
|colspan="2"|u
|colspan="2"|v
|colspan="2"|w
|colspan="2"|y
|colspan="2"|z
|-
!rowspan="2"|IPA
!Normal IPA
|colspan="2"|[a]
|colspan="2"|[b]
|colspan="6"|[ɕʰ]
|colspan="2"|[d]
|colspan="2"|[e]
|colspan="2"|[f]
|colspan="2"|[g]
|colspan="2"|[h]
|colspan="2"|[ɪ]
|colspan="2"|[dʒ]
|colspan="2"|[k]
|colspan="2"|[l]
|colspan="2"|[m]
|colspan="2"|[n]
|colspan="2"|[o]
|colspan="2"|[p]
|colspan="2"|[ɹ]
|colspan="2"|[s]
|colspan="4"|[t]
|colspan="2"|[u]
|colspan="2"|[v]
|colspan="2"|[w]
|colspan="2"|[ɪ]
|colspan="2"|[z]
|-
!Exceptions in the IPA
|y_
|[ə]
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="6"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|y_
|[a]
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|y_
|[i]
|V_ or _V
|[j]
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|_h
|[ʃ]
|#_h
|[θ]
|_h and not #_
|[ð]
|y_
|[ʊ]
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|_V and not _y
|[j]
|colspan="2"|--
|}
This uses the SCA syntax. If you don't know of this, here is a little bit of information:
{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" class="wikitable article-table" style="width: 300px; text-align:center;"
!colspan="2"|Key
|-
|_
|the character
|-
|#
|start(when it is placed before the string) or end(when it is placed before the string)
|-
|(...)
|could be
|}

===Phonotactics===


The syllable pattern is "C[yV/r[V/D]/V/D]N"(using awkword syntax), where C is a constant, V is a vowel, D is vowel diphthong, N is nasal, and P is constant pair.

==Basic grammar==

===Dialects===
In Dyimkumt, you naturally group subject and verbs together as well as tense identifiers. All of of these you do with an apostrophe, which, verbally, can be spoken different ways. One way is to "invert" the aspiration on the next constant,(common to [[Dyimkumt/Dialects|cyangeuhen dialect]]) like 't would be pronounced [tʰ], 'c, the exception, would now not be aspirated because it naturally is aspirated. Another way is to pronounce a glottal stop, common to most [[Dyimkumt/Dialects|hebertan tribe dialects]]. The most uncommon way is to pronounce a bilabial click, ([ʘ]) which can be found in the [[Dyimkumt/Dialects|unkisa dialect]], a very small and weird dialect.

Another mix up between dialects is whether you have a apostrophe before every tense identifier, or in between every tense identifier. For my purposes, I will use the cyangeuhen standards, having an apostrophe before

==Vocabulary==


==Swadesh list==


==Example texts==


[[Category:Conlangs]]
[[Category:Languages]]

User talk:Waahlis

2013-03-01T21:58:55Z

Conlang: /* Guess who */ new section

<div style="float: right; max-width: 200px; font-size: 88%; line-height: 150%; margin-top: -1em; margin-left: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;">__TOC__</div>
<div style="width: 350px; border: 2px solid white; background: white; padding: 1em; -moz-box-shadow: 0 0 5px 5px #; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 3px 3px #; box-shadow: 0 0 3px 3px #;">
<div style="font-size: 20pt; text-align: center; color: #3366BB; margin-top: 0.3em; margin-bottom: 0.3em;">'''προειδοποίηση!'''</div>

* If you leave a message here, I will reply '''here'''.
* If I left you a message, I will reply on your '''[[Special:MyTalk|talk page]]'''.
* '''Sign''' your post with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>)
* Keep your title '''short'''. Alternatively '''funny'''.
* You leave messages in any language you see fit; that is, languages I have a chance at understanding.

<div style="margin-top: 1em; padding-top: 0.3em; font-size: 70%; border-top: 1px solid #3E3E3E;">'''Archives''' [[User talk:Waahlis/1|1]] · [[User talk:Waahlis/2|2]] · [[User talk:Waahlis/3|3]] · [[User talk:Waahlis/4|4]] · [[User talk:Waahlis/5|5]]</div></div>

== Burumbi ==

Does my conlang start to make much sense now? I feel like I am missing something vital. [[User:Mboso|Mboso]] ([[User talk:Mboso|talk]]) 00:09, 12 January 2013 (CET)

#How is stress realised?
#Subordinate clauses
#Modality

A few things to work on =) [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 06:57, 12 January 2013 (CET)

I think it is starting to look excellent! Although I agree with Zelos on the first two points as rather vital, that is, that you ought to mention stress (if any), as well as the syntax of sentences, the modality could be a later concern. Adpositions and conjunctions (if any) is a matter to consider.

One matter that could be tended is examples - reading an article with sample sentences is always more interesting, and it conveys important information. Usage is another subject - you have a few cases and a lot of verb inflections - when are they used, can they convey different meanings depending on context? The definitions often differ between languages.

This all depends on the panned extent of your language - I for one would have implemented a bit of allophony, though a language does more than fine without it.

Sincerely, [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 11:43, 12 January 2013 (CET)

What the Wall said, as for stress it can be realised in multitude of ways, volume, vowel change, pitch, etc. :D I like pitch-accent systems [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 15:17, 12 January 2013 (CET)
Okay, I recognized stress, allophony, verb, and inflections. Give me a few days to read about the others on Wikipedia and I'll get back. However, I can talk about allophony right now: since it's not intended to actually be spoken by anyone, I don't see much need to work on it,and, as was pointed out, some languages have managed to make do without it. [[User:Mboso|Mboso]] ([[User talk:Mboso|talk]]) 18:32, 16 January 2013 (CET)

== RfA initiated 15/01/2013 ==

A request for arbitration concerning you has been initiated at [[Linguifex:Arbitration/Requests/Case]]. [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]]''' 23:17, 15 January 2013 (CET)

== ¿Lo has hecho tú también mientras aprendebas lenguas? ==

¡Hola! ¿Todo bien? Hoy estaba aquí en mi casa con dos amigas mías de la universidad y, mientras hablábamos entre nosotros, hemos inventado una expresión (sueca y después la hemos traducido en varias lenguas que estudiamos) que no tiene - o así creemos - ningún significado, pero se lo hemos dado nosotros:

''{{purple|Du är (en stor/färsk) nöt}}'' o ''{{purple|Din jävla nöt!}}''

Y con esas expresiones hemos traducido la oración sueca ''{{green|Du är forryckt/galen}}''. Sabemos que se dice así, pero, de todas formas, nos ha gustado inventar y usar esa expresión. Además mi amiga y yo, cuando hicimos el primer curso de sueco (hace 4 años), escuchamos por primera vez la palabra ''{{green|köra}}'' y nos gustó tanto que desde entonces la usamos en cambio de ''{{green|kär}}'', hemos creado sustantivos también: ''{{purple|köra}}'' con plural ''{{purple|köror}}'' para las mujeres y ''{{purple|köre}}'' con plural ''{{purple|körar}}'' para los hombres. Con estas palabras entendimos ''{{green|skatt}}'' :P Cuando uno difunde este uso de la palabra ''{{purple|köra}}'' como nosotros la entendimos y de su derivados, nosotros decimos que él o ella es un o una ''{{purple|köraförande}}'', aunque ''{{green|förande}}'' significa "presidente" y no "usuario"... Ahahahah, sé bien que ahora pareceré tonto, pero, hablando con otra gente que estudia otras lenguas, he descubierto que muchas personas juegan así con las palabras que aprenden e incluso crean nuevas palabras que en la lengua original no tienen (o tienen otro) sentido :) ¿Lo has hecho tú también mientras aprendebas lenguas? Si lo has hecho, ¿lo haces ahora también cuando aprendes otras? :) [[File:Llyn.png|35px|link=User:Llyn]] '''[[User talk:Llyn|Llyn]]''' 22:12, 18 January 2013 (CET)

¡Dioses, paciencia, tesoro, paciencia! ¡No he tenido tiempo para responder! Llamar personas ''{{green|nötter}}'' de verdad existe en Suecia, y es un insulto. Quizá hay insultos más ofensivos, solamente digo que no lo digas a desconocidos... ;) Es interesante saber que la palabra ''{{green|nöt}}'' como insulto tiene otro género gramaticamente a ciertas personas. Entonces se puede decir {{red|ditt jävla nöt}}. Es que no sé si es una característica de sueco estándar, o si es regional. De todos maneras, usar el género neutro normalmente es un poquito más ofensivo. Decir "det" en la tercera persona cuando se está hablando de gente, es bastante malo...

¡Jajaja! Lamento decir que jamás he hecho lo que me dices! XD No te preocupes, no me parece tonto, solamente... original... :P Pero recuerdo que creé la palabra "fútbolla" en español - casi homofónico con la palabra "fotboja" - "grillete (?)"! :P

Si quieres saber las propias palabras relacionadas con ''{{green|kär}}'', son ''{{green|käresta}}'' para mujeres, y ''{{green|käraste}}'' para hombres o mujeres! :) [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 16:17, 22 January 2013 (CET)

No borré la pregunta porque no tengo paciencia, sino que pensaba que no habías contestado porque te parecía una tontería descomunal :( Entonces decidí borrar lo único que pudiera subrayar mi supuesta tontería :( [[File:Llyn.png|35px|link=User:Llyn]] '''[[User talk:Llyn|Llyn]]''' 20:27, 04 February 2013 (CET)

Sospeché que si... ;) No te preocupes, yo también hago tonterías...! ¡Y si aprender y adaptar idiomas sería tonterías, no querría vivir! [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 19:08, 5 February 2013 (CET)

Du är söt! Tack så mycket för dina ord! [[File:Llyn.png|35px|link=User:Llyn]] '''[[User talk:Llyn|Llyn]]''' 23:54, 11 February 2013 (CET)

==Vandalism==
Check my talk page. 19:30, 20 January 2013 (CET) [[User_talk:Herr Dunkel|'''Er Dessen Name Nicht Genannt Werden Darf''']]

== Tables ==

WAAHLIS! you screwed up the tables again! [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 20:24, 20 January 2013 (CET)

Ooopsies! I thought I hadnṭ added anything of value there! Sorry! :P [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 20:27, 20 January 2013 (CET)

Light the torches and fetch the pitchforks!

It's alright man, this place is chaotic lately. [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 20:52, 20 January 2013 (CET)

But I just cleaned them... :(

Yeah, so it seems... Very well, speaking of which; would you mind taking a look at the last message I left at Chrys? [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 21:02, 20 January 2013 (CET)

== Template:term ==

I propose to keep "term" as it enhances legibility of contionary markup. It may be sort of redundant but it makes reading through texts a lot easier on the eyes. [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]]''' 22:27, 20 January 2013 (CET)

I disagree. Cw, for "contionary word", is simply more compressed. I would even suggest a Template:C. And being easy on the eyes is surely not a problem when processing wiki markup. [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 22:38, 20 January 2013 (CET)

The main reason for using wiki markup is for enhanced legibility and ease of use, thus instead of using <pre><a href="linguifex.com/?title=Contionary:word>word</a></pre> we usually write <pre>[[Contionary:word|word]]</pre>

Continuing from that, the prefix "cw" isn't instantly recognisable compared to "term" which is but 2 characters longer but adds an instantly transparent meaning.

Cf. <pre>
===Etymology ===
{{term|cóm-}} + {{term|seneir}}
</pre>

with

<pre>
===Etymology ===
{{cw|cóm-}} + {{cw|seneir}}
</pre>

Of course I see the benefit of having a short short version for when linking in mainspace articles/talk pages as in <nowiki>{{cw|dón}}</nowiki> where editing of the wikicode might not be a very relevant factor.

As a compromise of sorts I propose keeping <pre>{{template|term}}</pre> in the Contionary article main space and <pre>{{template|cw}}</pre> used outside.

[[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]]''' 23:05, 20 January 2013 (CET)

Surely, this could have been compressed into a few words. I stand by my second suggestion - using Template:C. Whilst you are correct in that "term" is very transparent, I do not acknowledge the logic behind using an abbreviation in the main namespace, and a full one in the contionary namespace proper. Besides, the word "term" is typologically unfavourable, having no less than three adjacent letters on a QWERTY keyboard. This almost encourages typographical errors and thus faulty links.

I am still not in accord, and I await your response on DA. [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 23:25, 20 January 2013 (CET)

Hum? The logic I tried to explain was that reading/editing contionary entries is simplified (thus making it easier for new editors etc.) as transparency increases; on the other hand, when wanting to say link a word from a language article a short one-character template is more favourable, even more so as it is similar to existing interwiki linking. Thus in the contionary, according to my proposal, we would find “term” inline which makes contextual sense for the source code of a dictionary entry while “c”/“cw” (for "Contionary/Contionary word")in an article in the main namespace, where it makes contextual sense. Am I making any sense? It's why I argue for there being duple templates.

I personally have not encountered any issues when writing the word term or any similar word such as where/were (three adjacent letters) and am thus sceptical of it being an encouraging factor of typographical errors.

Also, I have responded on DA. [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]]''' 00:24, 21 January 2013 (CET)

The Etymology thing will be resolved by me! :P [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 07:21, 21 January 2013 (CET)

== Contionary ==

is the standard contionary outlay done? [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 17:41, 22 January 2013 (CET)

Yes, see {{c|ethnema}}. Create a [[Template:New/contionary]] to be generated at buttons, as well, if you will! :) [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 18:07, 22 January 2013 (CET)

I'd recommend enclosing the more bonus tags such as "derived terms" "antonyms" "synonyms" in HTML comments so we don't get a lot of new entries with "antonyms" "synonyms" "hypernyms" all empty… ;P [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]]''' 22:55, 22 January 2013 (CET)

==Vandalism, Take Two==
So, am I guilty yet? 13:34, 2 February 2013 (CET) [[User_talk:Herr Dunkel|'''Er Dessen Name Nicht Genannt Werden Darf''']]

The administrators' discussions have concluded, and administrator Chrysophylax will leave a message at your discussion page. [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 14:25, 2 February 2013 (CET)

== DA ==

Kolla den [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 16:13, 2 February 2013 (CET)

Igen [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 18:18, 2 February 2013 (CET)

== Äntligen ==

Nu blir det fan lite lugn igen och vi kan gå tillbaka att få skit att funka igen. Vi måste jobba ut nu hur fan vi agerar som admins här. [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 14:12, 3 February 2013 (CET)

Whaalis, I suggest all of us admins design some sort of guide/rules how we go about shit when it comes to things like volde [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 15:20, 5 February 2013 (CET)

I'll consider a policy or the like when Vandalism's done. :) We could go by praxis, but I don't think you'd like that... :P [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 18:55, 5 February 2013 (CET)

after the humongous fuckup on this, I want something written that I can shove in others faces because I find how this was resolved unacceptable. [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 19:15, 5 February 2013 (CET)

== Names ==

Think there is something behind the latest wave of registrations? [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 20:10, 12 February 2013 (CET)

No, I actually don't. It'd be unnecessarily difficult to create such cannon fodder accounts. Also, they're not personal enough. :/ [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 20:43, 12 February 2013 (CET)

I don't know, you might have a point. Btw great work on the new front page [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 21:40, 12 February 2013 (CET)

Thank you! :D Although I'm eager to launch it, I need to fix a few things tomorrow. It ought to get done then. :) [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 22:57, 12 February 2013 (CET)

the dots are fucked up [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 15:52, 13 February 2013 (CET)

== Two things ==

#Do we really have to include wikia on our frontpage? It is a dirrty stain on an otherwise magnificient masterpiece
#I think Wannabe should get a medal for being so productive [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 07:34, 16 February 2013 (CET)

#I shall see if I can replace it with something better. And thanks!
#And yes, he should! I shall make a medal/badge for him!

[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 08:09, 16 February 2013 (CET)

#Take wikibooks because htey have a conlang section
#SPlendid! :D

[[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 13:54, 16 February 2013 (CET)

== When ==

When the fuck are we going to go about this whole thing that happened? How it all was handled was not in anyway acceptable and we need to establish a model of how things are dealt with between us admins. [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 17:26, 22 February 2013 (CET)

Don't you think its about time? [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 16:09, 23 February 2013 (CET)

I do not have as strong feelings about it as you do, as I'm sure you know. However, yes, but we need to await Chrysophylax firstly. If you have suggestions, you could start sketching on a proposal? [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 18:01, 23 February 2013 (CET)

Of course I feel strongely, I feel like I was bypassed just because he felt it was fitting. If thats how shit works then I see no point being an admin as whats the point if it will be ignored?

I will sketch on one, that will be my contribution until further notice. [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 18:19, 23 February 2013 (CET)

== Scriptual Bible ==

[[Guide:Script]] Whatcha think? WIP of course [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 14:55, 26 February 2013 (CET)

== Guess who ==

I'm back! 
After conlanging on and off for a while, I decided to revisit! :P

A lot has changed! The main page looks awesome, I presume that was you who made it. I saw no change in the comlang, I think we might prefer to start over again and make a new comlang from what we have here. I'll work on my conlang some, but will probably need some help with it though.

Any I updates I need?
 [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 22:58, 1 March 2013 (CET)

PS Sorry for kinda just running out on you, with me, I'm interested in something a lot of some time, stop for a while, and then come back. That's just me.

Dyimkumt

2012-11-24T17:10:34Z

Conlang:

{{Construction}}
{{ClassMeter
| Name = Dyimkumt
| NativeName = Dyimkumt
| Type = 
| Alignment = Tripartite

|adjective = final
|adposition =
|adverb =
|article =
|relativeclause =
|nounclause =
|order = SVO
| Tonal = no
| Declensions = yes
| Conjugations = yes
| Genders = none
| Nouns decline according to...
| Case = no
| NNumber = yes
| Definiteness = no
| Gender = no
| Verbs conjugate according to...
| Voice = no
| Mood = no
| Person = no
| VNumber = no
| Tense = yes
| Aspect = no
|To what degree, from 0 to 100 where 100 is fully completed, is the respective part completed?
|Phonology = 100
|NounCases = 100
|NounDef = 100
|NounNumbers =0
|NounGender = 100
|VerbPerson = 100
|VerbNumber = 100
|VerbAspect = 100
|VerbTense =0
|VerbMood = 100
|VerbVoice = 100
|AdjCase = 100
|AdjNumber = 100
|AdjDef = 100
|AdjGen = 0
|AdjComparative =0
|AdjSuperlative =0
|Supine =0
|Gerund =0
|Participle =0
|Infinitive =0
|Modality =0
|Words = 50
}}

==General information==


==Phonology==
===Consonants===
{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" class="wikitable article-table" style="width: 1000px; text-align:center;"
! style="width: 68px; "|
! style="width: 68px; " |Bilabial
! style="width: 68px; " |Labio-dental
! style="width: 68px; " |Dental
! style="width: 68px; " |Alveolar
! style="width: 68px; " |Post-Alveolar
! style="width: 68px; " |Alveolo-palatal
! style="width: 68px; " |Palatal
! style="width: 68px; " |Velar
! style="width: 68px; " |Labial-velar
! style="width: 68px; " |Glottal
|-
! style="" |Nasal
| m
|
|
| n
|
|
|
| ŋ
|
|
|-
! style="" |Plosive
| p b
|
|
| t d
|
|
|
| k g
|
|
|-
! style="" |Fricative
|
| f v
| θ ð
| s z
| ʃ
| ɕʰ
|
|
|
| h
|-
! style="" |Affricate
|
|
|
|
| dʒ
|
|
|
|
|
|-
! style="" |Approximant
|
|
|
| r
|
|
| j
|
| w
|
|-
! style="" |Lateral app.
|
|
|
| l
|
|
|
|
|
|
|}

===Vowels===
{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" class="wikitable article-table" style="width: 540px; text-align:center"
! style="width: 90px; "|
! style="width: 90px; "|Front
! style="width: 90px; "|Near-front
! style="width: 90px; "|Central
! style="width: 90px; "|Near-back
! style="width: 90px; "|Back
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Close
| i
|
|
|
| u
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Near-close
|
| ɪ
|
| ʊ
|
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Close-mid
| e
|
|
|
| o
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Mid
|
|
| ə
|
|
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Open-mid
|
|
|
|
|
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Near-open
|
|
|
|
|
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Open
| a
|
|
|
|
|}

Diphthongs:
*au [aʊ]
*ei [ei]
*ui [ʊi]
*ou [oʊ]
*eu [eu]
*yy1 [i]

#yy technically isn't a diphthong.

===Writing to Phonotactics===

The alphabet for Dyimkumt is relatively simple:

{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" class="wikitable article-table" style="width: 1300px; text-align:center;"
!colspan="2"|Upper case
!colspan="2"|A
!colspan="2"|B
!colspan="6"|C
!colspan="2"|D
!colspan="2"|E
!colspan="2"|F
!colspan="2"|G
!colspan="2"|H
!colspan="2"|I
!colspan="2"|J
!colspan="2"|K
!colspan="2"|L
!colspan="2"|M
!colspan="2"|N
!colspan="2"|O
!colspan="2"|P
!colspan="2"|R
!colspan="2"|S
!colspan="4"|T
!colspan="2"|U
!colspan="2"|V
!colspan="2"|W
!colspan="2"|Y
!colspan="2"|Z
|-
!colspan="2"|Lower case
|colspan="2"|a
|colspan="2"|b
|colspan="6"|c
|colspan="2"|d
|colspan="2"|e
|colspan="2"|f
|colspan="2"|g
|colspan="2"|h
|colspan="2"|i
|colspan="2"|j
|colspan="2"|k
|colspan="2"|l
|colspan="2"|m
|colspan="2"|n
|colspan="2"|o
|colspan="2"|p
|colspan="2"|r
|colspan="2"|s
|colspan="4"|t
|colspan="2"|u
|colspan="2"|v
|colspan="2"|w
|colspan="2"|y
|colspan="2"|z
|-
!rowspan="2"|IPA
!Normal IPA
|colspan="2"|[a]
|colspan="2"|[b]
|colspan="6"|[ɕʰ]
|colspan="2"|[d]
|colspan="2"|[e]
|colspan="2"|[f]
|colspan="2"|[g]
|colspan="2"|[h]
|colspan="2"|[ɪ]
|colspan="2"|[dʒ]
|colspan="2"|[k]
|colspan="2"|[l]
|colspan="2"|[m]
|colspan="2"|[n]
|colspan="2"|[o]
|colspan="2"|[p]
|colspan="2"|[ɹ]
|colspan="2"|[s]
|colspan="4"|[t]
|colspan="2"|[u]
|colspan="2"|[v]
|colspan="2"|[w]
|colspan="2"|[ɪ]
|colspan="2"|[z]
|-
!Exceptions in the IPA
|y_
|[ə]
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="6"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|y_
|[a]
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|y_
|[i]
|V_ or _V
|[j]
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|_h
|[ʃ]
|#_h
|[θ]
|_h and not #_
|[ð]
|y_
|[ʊ]
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|_V and not _y
|[j]
|colspan="2"|--
|}
This uses the SCA syntax. If you don't know of this, here is a little bit of information:
{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" class="wikitable article-table" style="width: 300px; text-align:center;"
!colspan="2"|Key
|-
|_
|the character
|-
|#
|start(when it is placed before the string) or end(when it is placed before the string)
|-
|(...)
|could be
|}

===Phonotactics===


The syllable pattern is "[C(y/l/r)/P][V/D]N"(using awkword syntax), where C is a constant, V is a vowel, D is vowel diphthong, N is nasal, and P is constant pair.

The constant pairs are:
*th
*sh
*ng
*st
*Sf1
#S stands for sonorant

==Basic grammar==


In Dyimkumt, you naturally group subject and verbs together, as do you group adjectives and relationships, (which I will explain furter on) and tense identifier. All of of these you do with an apostrophe, which, verbally, can be spoken different ways. One way is to "invert" the aspiration on the next constant,(common to [[Dyimkumt/Dialects|cyangeuhen dialect]]) like 't would be pronounced [tʰ], 'c, the exception, would now not be aspirated because it naturally is aspirated. Another way is to pronounce a glottal stop, common to most [[Dyimkumt/Dialects|hebertan tribe dialects]]. The most uncommon way is to pronounce a bilabial click, ([ʘ]) which can be found in the [[Dyimkumt/Dialects|unkisa dialect]], a very small and weird dialect.

Another mix up between dialects is whether you have a apostrophe before every tense identifier, or in between every tense identifier.

==Vocabulary==


==Swadesh list==


==Example texts==


[[Category:Conlangs]]
[[Category:Languages]]

User talk:Waahlis/On templates

2012-11-17T16:42:43Z

Conlang: Created page with "Hey, Waahlis, I'm just wondering... what exactly do I do? I kinda got what to do, but not really... :/ Please help clarify! ~~~~"

Hey, Waahlis, I'm just wondering... what exactly do I do? I kinda got what to do, but not really... :/ Please help clarify!
 [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 17:42, 17 November 2012 (CET)

Dyimkumt

2012-11-17T16:29:53Z

Conlang:

{{Construction}}
{{ClassMeter
| Name = Dyimkumt
| NativeName = Dyimkumt
| Type = 
| Alignment = Tripartite

|adjective = final
|adposition =
|adverb =
|article =
|relativeclause =
|nounclause =
|order = SVO
| Tonal = no
| Declensions = yes
| Conjugations = yes
| Genders = none
| Nouns decline according to...
| Case = no
| NNumber = yes
| Definiteness = no
| Gender = no
| Verbs conjugate according to...
| Voice = no
| Mood = no
| Person = no
| VNumber = no
| Tense = yes
| Aspect = no
|To what degree, from 0 to 100 where 100 is fully completed, is the respective part completed?
|Phonology = 100
|NounCases = 100
|NounDef = 100
|NounNumbers =0
|NounGender = 100
|VerbPerson = 100
|VerbNumber = 100
|VerbAspect = 100
|VerbTense =0
|VerbMood = 100
|VerbVoice = 100
|AdjCase = 100
|AdjNumber = 100
|AdjDef = 100
|AdjGen = 0
|AdjComparative =0
|AdjSuperlative =0
|Supine =0
|Gerund =0
|Participle =0
|Infinitive =0
|Modality =0
|Words = 50
}}

==General information==


==Phonology==
===Consonants===
{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" class="wikitable article-table" style="width: 1000px; text-align:center;"
! style="width: 68px; "|
! style="width: 68px; " |Bilabial
! style="width: 68px; " |Labio-dental
! style="width: 68px; " |Dental
! style="width: 68px; " |Alveolar
! style="width: 68px; " |Post-Alveolar
! style="width: 68px; " |Alveolo-palatal
! style="width: 68px; " |Palatal
! style="width: 68px; " |Velar
! style="width: 68px; " |Labial-velar
! style="width: 68px; " |Glottal
|-
! style="" |Nasal
| m
|
|
| n
|
|
|
| ŋ
|
|
|-
! style="" |Plosive
| p b
|
|
| t d
|
|
|
| k g
|
|
|-
! style="" |Fricative
|
| f v
| θ ð
| s z
| ʃ
| ɕʰ
|
|
|
| h
|-
! style="" |Affricate
|
|
|
|
| dʒ
|
|
|
|
|
|-
! style="" |Approximant
|
|
|
| r
|
|
| j
|
| w
|
|-
! style="" |Lateral app.
|
|
|
| l
|
|
|
|
|
|
|}

===Vowels===
{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" class="wikitable article-table" style="width: 540px; text-align:center"
! style="width: 90px; "|
! style="width: 90px; "|Front
! style="width: 90px; "|Near-front
! style="width: 90px; "|Central
! style="width: 90px; "|Near-back
! style="width: 90px; "|Back
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Close
| i
|
|
|
| u
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Near-close
|
| ɪ
|
| ʊ
|
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Close-mid
| e
|
|
|
| o
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Mid
|
|
| ə
|
|
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Open-mid
|
|
|
|
|
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Near-open
|
|
|
|
|
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Open
| a
|
|
|
|
|}

Diphthongs:
*au [aʊ]
*ei [ei]
*ui [ʊi]
*ou [oʊ]
*eu [eu]
*yy1 [i]

#yy technically isn't a diphthong.

===Writing to Phonotactics===

There are two ways to write this language: one is IPA and two is the actual spelling. the alphabet is simple:

{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" class="wikitable article-table" style="width: 1300px; text-align:center;"
!colspan="2"|Upper case
!colspan="2"|A
!colspan="2"|B
!colspan="6"|C
!colspan="2"|D
!colspan="2"|E
!colspan="2"|F
!colspan="2"|G
!colspan="2"|H
!colspan="2"|I
!colspan="2"|J
!colspan="2"|K
!colspan="2"|L
!colspan="2"|M
!colspan="2"|N
!colspan="2"|O
!colspan="2"|P
!colspan="2"|R
!colspan="2"|S
!colspan="4"|T
!colspan="2"|U
!colspan="2"|V
!colspan="2"|W
!colspan="2"|Y
!colspan="2"|Z
|-
!colspan="2"|Lower case
|colspan="2"|a
|colspan="2"|b
|colspan="6"|c
|colspan="2"|d
|colspan="2"|e
|colspan="2"|f
|colspan="2"|g
|colspan="2"|h
|colspan="2"|i
|colspan="2"|j
|colspan="2"|k
|colspan="2"|l
|colspan="2"|m
|colspan="2"|n
|colspan="2"|o
|colspan="2"|p
|colspan="2"|r
|colspan="2"|s
|colspan="4"|t
|colspan="2"|u
|colspan="2"|v
|colspan="2"|w
|colspan="2"|y
|colspan="2"|z
|-
!rowspan="2"|IPA
!Normal IPA
|colspan="2"|[a]
|colspan="2"|[b]
|colspan="6"|[ɕʰ]
|colspan="2"|[d]
|colspan="2"|[e]
|colspan="2"|[f]
|colspan="2"|[g]
|colspan="2"|[h]
|colspan="2"|[ɪ]
|colspan="2"|[dʒ]
|colspan="2"|[k]
|colspan="2"|[l]
|colspan="2"|[m]
|colspan="2"|[n]
|colspan="2"|[o]
|colspan="2"|[p]
|colspan="2"|[ɹ]
|colspan="2"|[s]
|colspan="4"|[t]
|colspan="2"|[u]
|colspan="2"|[v]
|colspan="2"|[w]
|colspan="2"|[ɪ]
|colspan="2"|[z]
|-
!Exceptions in the IPA
|y_
|[ə]
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="6"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|y_
|[a]
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|y_
|[i]
|V_ or _V
|[j]
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|_h
|[ʃ]
|#_h
|[θ]
|_h and not #_
|[ð]
|y_
|[ʊ]
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|_V and not _y
|[j]
|colspan="2"|--
|}
This uses the SCA(sound change amplifier(I think)) syntax. If you don't know of this, here is a little bit of info:
{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" class="wikitable article-table" style="width: 300px; text-align:center;"
!colspan="2"|Key
|-
|_
|the character
|-
|#
|start(when it is placed before the string) or end(when it is placed before the string)
|-
|(...)
|could be
|}

===Phonotactics===


The syllable pattern is "[C(y/l/r)/P][V/D]N"(using awkword syntax), where C is a constant, V is a vowel, D is vowel diphthong, N is nasal, and P is constant pair.

Most constant pairs are:
*th,
*sh,
*ng,
*st,
*and Sf1

#S stands for sonorant

==Basic grammar==


In Dyimkumt, you naturally group subject and verbs together, as do you group adjectives and relationships, (which I will explain furter on) and tense identifier. All of of these you do with an apostrophe, which, verbally, can be spoken different ways. One way is to "invert" the aspiration on the next constant,(common to [[Dyimkumt/Dialects|cyangeuhen dialect]]) like 't would be pronounced [tʰ], 'c, the exception, would now not be aspirated because it naturally is aspirated. Another way is to pronounce a glottal stop, common to most [[Dyimkumt/Dialects|hebertan tribe dialects]]. The most uncommon way is to pronounce a bilabial click, ([ʘ]) which can be found in the [[Dyimkumt/Dialects|unkisa dialect]], a very small and weird dialect.

Another mix up between dialects is whether you have a apostrophe before every tense identifier, or in between every tense identifier.

==Vocabulary==

{{Kinship
|PaternalGrandMother=
|PaternalGrandFather=
|MaternalGrandMother=
|MaternalGrandFather=
|PaternalAuntsHusband=
|PaternalAunt=
|PaternalUnclesWife=
|PaternalUncle=
|Father=
|Mother=
|PaternalTwinUnclesWife=
|PaternalTwinUncle=
|PaternalYoungerUnclesWife=
|PaternalYoungerUncle=
|PaternalOlderUnclesWife=
|PaternalOlderUncle=
|PaternalTwinAuntsHusband=
|PaternalTwinAunt=
|PaternalYoungerAuntsHusband=
|PaternalYoungerAunt=
|PaternalOlderAuntsHusband=
|PaternalOlderAunt=
|MaternalTwinUnclesWife=
|MaternalTwinUncle=
|MaternalYoungerUnclesWife=
|MaternalYoungerUncle=
|MaternalOlderUnclesWife=
|MaternalOlderUncle=
|MaternalTwinAuntsHusband=
|MaternalTwinAunt=
|MaternalYoungerAuntsHusband=
|MaternalYoungerAunt=
|MaternalOlderAuntsHusband=
|MaternalOlderAunt=
|PaternalTwinUnclesSon=
|PaternalTwinUnclesDaughter=
|PaternalYoungerUnclesSon=
|PaternalYoungerUnclesDaughter=
|PaternalOlderUnclesSon=
|PaternalOlderUnclesDaughter=
|PaternalTwinAuntsSon=
|PaternalTwinAuntsDaughter=
|PaternalYoungerAuntsSon=
|PaternalYoungerAuntsDaughter=
|PaternalOlderAuntsSon=
|PaternalOlderAuntsDaughter=
|MaternalTwinUnclesSon=
|MaternalTwinUnclesDaughter=
|MaternalYoungerUnclesSon=
|MaternalYoungerUnclesDaughter=
|MaternalOlderUnclesSon=
|MaternalOlderUnclesDaughter=
|MaternalTwinAuntsSon=
|MaternalTwinAuntsDaughter=
|MaternalYoungerAuntsSon=
|MaternalYoungerAuntsDaughter=
|MaternalOlderAuntsSon=
|MaternalOlderAuntsDaughter=
|Sister=
|Self=
|Husband=
|Wife=
|LittleSister=
|TwinSister=
|BigSister=
|BigBrother=
|TwinBrother=
|LittleBrother=
|LittleSistersHusband=
|TwinSistersHusband=
|BigSistersHusband=
|BigBrothersWife=
|TwinBrothersWife=
|LittleBrothersWife=
|MaternalAuntsSon=
|MaternalAuntsDaughter=
|MaternalUnclesSon=
|MaternalUnclesDaughter=
|HusbandSon=
|HusbandDaughter=
|WifeSon=
|WifeDaughter=
|TwinSisterNiece=
|TwinSisterNephew=
|LittleSisterNiece=
|LittleSisterNephew=
|BigSisterNiece=
|BigSisterNephew=
|TwinBrotherNiece=
|TwinBrotherNephew=
|LittleBrotherNiece=
|LittleBrotherNephew=
|BigBrotherNiece=
|BigBrotherNephew=
}}

==Swadesh list==


==Example texts==


[[Category:Conlangs]]
[[Category:Languages]]

User talk:Waahlis

2012-11-14T21:00:53Z

Conlang: /* Hey! */

{{Welcome}}

Default message aside, thanks for dropping by! There is no intrusion, only welcoming! ;) - [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 23:55, 4 November 2012 (CET)

== Design ==

I always liked the blue-ish button theme. They are quite awesome.

On another note, I like the idea embodied in your draft for a new logo, although I can't say I really approve of the Castellar font. It feels a tad out of place. I appreciate the Latinate origin of the word and the connection with the font family of Roman style letters but I don't know. Castellar and Trajan don't feel particularly welcoming to me. Perhaps something more modern but still classy? Adobe Caslon Pro is quite similar to Castellar in its capital shapes and conveys class without straying into dusty old books territory… hmm
besides that, I think it's quite classy without being cheesy (like the current one, lol) - [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 22:06, 8 November 2012 (CET)

[[File:A_few_fonts.png|500px]]

Hm, it seems it changed the three first bottom lowercase examples to the same font. Ah, sigh.
- [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 22:17, 8 November 2012 (CET)

Oh dear! Couldn't find a bigger one could you?

I actually suspected you wouldn't, I suppose that's obvious from your personality. I am not sure about the current one though... My aesthetic senses itch when I see it...
But I'm sure I'll come up with something that you'd prefer!

Éstas, ¿qué te parecen: [[:File:Linguifex 2.0.png]] y [[:File:Linguifex 3.0.png]]?

[[User:Waahlis|Waahlis]] ([[User talk:Waahlis|talk]]) 22:31, 8 November 2012 (CET)

Oh! Qué decisión más difícil. Tertia versio tua oculos meos delectat. Tranquilitassecuritasque incarnat, inquit Chrysophylax. Placetne tibi ista "Castellar"? Fortasse tibi placebit altera versio cum capitalibus? Si Caslon tibi displicet alteram scripturam invenire possumus.

- [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 22:52, 8 November 2012 (CET)

: So I temporarily switched the site logo to the th ird one you suggested to see how it felt with the site layout. I think it looks ''lagom snyggt''. Vad tycks? - [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 23:02, 8 November 2012 (CET)

Me alegra que si.Non mihi placet valde multum, malo tertia versio, et non credo alteram versionem cum capitalibus mihi placeam. Ignosce linguae meae...

Μου αρέσει, αγκαλά είναι άσημι, εγώ θέλω κάτι πολύ... framträdande. --[[User:Waahlis|Waahlis]] ([[User talk:Waahlis|talk]]) 16:27, 9 November 2012 (CET)

:: Mégan semeiophoron hemeteron theleis; Hmm... fortasse tibi litterae factae cum coloribus in nomine nostro placebit? sý ʿara tó theleis; egō ʿellenika tēn glōssan oʾu fēmi :( - [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 21:47, 9 November 2012 (CET)

::: Aha! '''''ʿeureka!''''' What about a more framträdande förstasida? Det vill säga, Main_Page skulle kunna ha något mer imponerande som en banner. You know, something that says awesomeness and is visually attention-grabbing. I'd personally prefer it on the first page than always drawing your attention like the irk…wikia-logo. What do you think of this? - [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 21:50, 9 November 2012 (CET)

Oooh, that's a very archaic Greek. I'll avoid writing it then. Colours.... Well, not exactly to recommend in a logo... And yes of course! You wouldn't know because you can't read minds, but I am actually sketching on a front page right now, and yes, it'll draw attention! And by the way... 08? Allvarligt talat? Stön... ;P --[[User:Waahlis|Waahlis]] ([[User talk:Waahlis|talk]]) 00:19, 10 November 2012 (CET)

:Well, the only Greek I've ever taken is Ancient Greek (which I'm in the process of commencing to learn. My grasp of it is proto-proto-proto-existent.) I must admit, I'm not a very successful Roman aristocrat, what with my limited command of the ''noblest of tongues''. Thus, I propose to temporarily abandon the old sermones for some English! As we've seem to have done already.
:''Hehehehe''. True, colours tend to look a bit nasty in logos. I think the logo looks quite nice with the recently changed skin though. What do you think? Also, I've started fixing up Dhannuá here, seeing as its one of the most developed languages I have on paper (technically Word/PDF documents scattered over my harddrives) but yes, irrelevant rambling aside, it's good to see some ''corpus'' developing. Your Attian has me most intrigued!
:On another note, have you heard anything from anyone on the Wikkii-wiki? Nothing against your company (it's most enjoyable! :D) but it sure does feel a little empty. That, and I'd be elated if more people actually started using this, because if there's one thing I like almost as much as conlanging itself, it's reading about well-thought out conlangs! /sad phylax.
: Vadan denna antipati mot caput nationis? ;)
: - [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 02:11, 10 November 2012 (CET)

The only Greek I have extensively studied is Modern. Other, archaic forms were sort of included... At least it is better than my Latin, which I can only read properly. Excellent, you've switched to Vector as well? Or have you somehow standardised it, because if you have, my preferences tell the sote to override any other skin... And you know I like Dhannuá! It is very aesthetic, and very faithful to its Indo-European heritage! Why thank you!

Well, we conjecture that the hurricane Sandy is to blame for the down-time, as it seems to have coincided fairly well with the date Wikkii went down. I don't really have the contact info on anyone on wikkii except the admins, and MOB has been alerted where this wiki is. :D He'll probably come join us!

Let's just say I prefer the framsida before the baksida... ;P Will you have more time to edit today? [[User:Waahlis|Waahlis]] ([[User talk:Waahlis|talk]]) 07:46, 10 November 2012 (CET)
:Ah, I see! And yes, vector is the new standard until someone overrides it. Thanks for the praise. ^^. And ah, sadness. And, I might later, much later today. I have to attend certain events tonight… but bis bald! - [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 17:36, 10 November 2012 (CET)

==Imports==
How are you importing stuff? Google cache? '''[[User:PMOB|Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán]]''' 19:04, 10 November 2012 (CET)

Actually, I don't think code's possible to import by Google cache... :/ I just used wikia for the documentation templates. For Nāmic as well (which made it slightly unupdated). We could give it a try at the caches though. [[User:Waahlis|Waahlis]] ([[User talk:Waahlis|talk]]) 19:17, 10 November 2012 (CET)

No, the source code is messed up but it's still better than nothing. I don't think anything significant will have been lost but anything that is is still annoying. '''[[User:PMOB|Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán]]''' 19:40, 10 November 2012 (CET)

I suppose. I'm sure the site will get back to its usual self eventually, but I do find this site better, more reliable. --[[User:Waahlis|Waahlis]] ([[User talk:Waahlis|talk]]) 19:56, 10 November 2012 (CET)

I read through some comments online and people that have contacted Wikkii have had no response - but I hope you're right. I don't know how he would know but Rostov said the data aren't lost. '''[[User:PMOB|Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán]]''' 20:07, 10 November 2012 (CET)

I did that as well, on Facebook. I am fairly sure they wouldn't just shut down it all. Well, he wouldn't. There's a strong indication though, that loosing the data when the server collapses seems to be rather uncommon. Granted that the server comes back online, that is... [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 20:16, 10 November 2012 (CET)

== Chromaesthetics ==

Purple. Blue. Orange.

Also, on another note, are we doing away with the "Create a language"-box on the main page? - [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 03:22, 11 November 2012 (CET)

Would you mind getting a blue administrator sphere then? :D Of course not, as I said: a '''very''' preliminary draught of a Main page.

By the way, would you mind not answering my messages to you on my talk page? :P It gets rather cluttered, I think! [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 12:05, 11 November 2012 (CET)

: Apologies, I should've continued the conversation on my own talk page per convention. I understand the cluttered argument fully :P… I get confused when I haven't slept well. A blue administrator sphere would be cool. Is purple out of the question though? - [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 20:36, 11 November 2012 (CET)

Of course, I understand! Hehe, well, I think that if EmperorZelos'd come back, he'd have a lot stronger feelings about that colour than you... :P Your choice though! Nevertheless, the code for a signature like the one administrators' had on Wikkii is: <nowiki>[[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]]''' </nowiki> Which looks like this: [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]]'''
 --[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 20:44, 11 November 2012 (CET)

:Ah. I see. What with that emperor title. Hmpf... If he does not object to sharing the colour (after all: ''In omnio anno rei publicae duo consules fuerunt, qui in toga picta vestiebantur'') I'd opt for purple myself. Purple is the colour of magistrates after all. If he would be completely averse to sharing then… we shall have that discussion when/if it comes. ;) But hey, thanks for awesoming up the wiki! That admin symbol is quite impressive too. Thanks for it :)
:Btw, I saw you added some links to en.wiki…, so I added some shtuff to the db. '''''w:''''' should work for interwiki linking. - [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 21:05, 11 November 2012 (CET)

I don't know whence the name, actually... :/ ''Sí, sí, supongo que si.'' Let's just say that he's not very big on sharing... I can't think of any awesoming so far...! I've imported one or three templates, categorised a bit. But I do think it'd be fun should you use the admin symbol! It gives us a bit of consitency! :D [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 22:36, 11 November 2012 (CET)

== Hey, YOU! ==

Hi :3 Just imported loads of stuff [[User:EmperorZelos|EmperorZelos]] ([[User talk:EmperorZelos|talk]]) 17:49, 12 November 2012 (CET)

Hi there! Välkommen! :D Excellent, I'll give you a hand. Don't forget to consult the domain owner! --[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 19:42, 12 November 2012 (CET)

THere is alot of work to be done but of course we'll talk to the guy :P He is an admin aswell now and got a voice. [[User:EmperorZelos|[[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Zelos]]''']] ([[User talk:EmperorZelos|talk]]) 20:05, 12 November 2012 (CET)

and my signature doesnt work! [[User:EmperorZelos|[[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]]&nbsp;'''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''']] ([[User talk:EmperorZelos|talk]]) 20:07, 12 November 2012 (CET)

You're signature's messed up... :/ Well, I'll walk around change some details, content and organise the naming of the templates (new project of mine). I'll work on a better Main page as well. Also, the Random word feature doesn't work. --[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 20:09, 12 November 2012 (CET)

how do I fix the signature? I tried yours and my old one, fucking fails!

And good, and it doesnt because he hasn't installed some basic features. once he does it should work [[User:EmperorZelos|'''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''']] ([[User talk:EmperorZelos|talk]]) 20:10, 12 November 2012 (CET)

Finally! [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 20:12, 12 November 2012 (CET)

Ehm, I left a piece of code on Billy's talk page, which he used? Are you sure you've got the "wikitext" square checked? [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 20:13, 12 November 2012 (CET)

I got it resolved now.

we'll get around to it, we need new front page, new icon, new everything.

== Poetry ==

Just thought you ought to know that your [http://waahlis.deviantart.com/#/d5jkmvg For a Girl in the Messinese language] inspired me to translate a couple of poems into Zamoran a week or so ago :P '''[[User:PMOB|Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán]]''' 22:55, 12 November 2012 (CET)

Why thank you! I'm glad people like that one! :) [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 08:00, 13 November 2012 (CET)

== New Extensions ==

The gnomes have added [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Slideshow_(Javascript) Slideshow]. I seem to recall you using it somewhere, so I figured you'd appreciate it [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]]''' 00:25, 13 November 2012 (CET)
A proper forum (see [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikiForum Extension:WikiForum]) is coming. [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]]''' 00:25, 13 November 2012 (CET)

This is going to kick ass [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 08:02, 13 November 2012 (CET)

"Is it a plain? No. Is it a bird? No. Is it Batman? No. - '''It's the Extender!'''"
"Extenders - on dvd the 27th of November."
And oh yes, Zelos, it will! :D [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 08:03, 13 November 2012 (CET)

I have already suggested additional extensions that can and will be useful to us, one is MP3 playing so we can have audio recordings :D [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 08:25, 13 November 2012 (CET)

== Summons ==

{{User:Chrysophylax/tools/summon|User_talk:EmperorZelos#Userboxes|Chrysophylax}}

== Hey! ==

Hey Waahlis! :P I saw your message and came over. How has it been? I've been caught up in school, so I'll try to come here periodically. Anything I need to know? [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 21:38, 13 November 2012 (CET)

Hi CL! I'm glad you made it! It's been fine, not very much conlanging, though.. :P You? :) I don't think so... We're still trying to set the place up - I am currently organising the templates (which takes ages...) and I'm going to make a new Main page! Since you're good at coding, you could help Chysophylax and Zelos if you want? :) Other than that, just keep calm, fix your lang and be social! :D [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 22:30, 13 November 2012 (CET)

I'll see what I can do coding-wise; my codes are written a little strange. But here I can learn from professionals! I can also help with transferring comlang over; when you start, just message me.

If you want to I can help organize the templates with you; I'm kinda an organization freak. XD But on a serious note, I don't mind organizing stuff, so if you want me to help, just say so. I know it can get a bit boring. :) [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 21:09, 14 November 2012 (CET)

P.S. sorry if I use ":P" too much; I try to limit myself a lot on doing it. If I didn't, you'd see it a lot more. :P

Well, I'm not a coding angel either... I just pick things up and survive... :/ Well, right now, coding isn't that much of an issue, I believe. However, importing the comlang would be great, including if you could import the archives for it then! :D

On the organisation; yes, please I would like help! The others aren't much for that kind of thing, and I need all the help I can get! I'll fix a few rules for you to follow if you're interested! :D

And as you see, I've got no problem with smilies - I think they give informal texts a bit of nuance! ;) [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 21:19, 14 November 2012 (CET)

I'm interested in organizing. Not to be demanding, but, I would the rules of what I can or can't do and a list of to do's as soon as you can get around to writing them; I'm bored out of my mind right now. :P Thanks for letting me help. X) [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 21:34, 14 November 2012 (CET)

Of course. Thing is, I recall you're American, and whilst it's daytime in the US, it's starting to get late here in Sweden... :P Could I get it for you 'till tomorrow? :) [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 21:55, 14 November 2012 (CET)

And I should have thought of that to. :/ Yeah, you can get it to me tomorrow. :)
 [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 22:00, 14 November 2012 (CET)

== Thoughts ==

Seeing as you're the apparent leading in-house scholar on Indo-European languages I'd like to ask you for some thoughts regarding this most anciente and wickede variant of Classical Dhannuá.

:{|
|colspan=21|''Bhōzōiōm Lūdhas peri sar sa dānaizā dhānnwa ta bhōzānd sann i āuzir nissīr sei ta izd sa aliūzella swēsor dhānnwar Lūsanar.'' ||
|-
|Bhōz-ō-iōm||Lūdhas||peri||sa-r||sa||dānaiz-ā||dhānnwa||ta||bhōz-ānd||sa-nn||i||āuz-ir||niss-īr||sei||ta||izd||sa||aliūzell-a||swēsor||dhānnw-ar||Lūsan-ar||
|-
|speak-{{sc|1sg-1sg.encl}}||Lūdhas||about||she-{{sc|gen|}}||she||dānair-{{sc|gen.pl}}||tongue||subclause.{{sc|prt}}||speak-{{sc|3pl}}||she-{{sc|acc}}||{{sc|loc.prep}}||eastern-{{sc|gen.pl}}||isle-{{sc|gen.pl}}||they||subclause.{{sc|prt}}||be.{{sc|3sg.pres}}||she||another-{{sc|fem.nom}}||sister||tongue-{{sc|gen.sg}}||Lūsan-{{sc|gen.sg}}||
|-
|colspan=21|''Lannarīzānd sēseid R rōd Z ca aliūzella aljūza sei.''||
|-
|Lannarīzānd||sē-seid||R||rōd||Z||ca||aliūzell-a||aljūz-a||sei||
|-
|twist-{{sc|ipfv.pst-3pl}}|| {{sc|refl.}}intensifier-they.{{sc|dat}}||R||for_purpose_of.{{sc|prep}}||Z||also||different-{{sc|neut.pl}}||thing{{sc|-neut.pl}}||they||
|}

The translation ends up something like: "'I Lúthais, say of that, that dánaizian tongue that they speak in the eastern isles, that it is another sister of the tongue of Lúsan. They have changed for themselves r for z and other strange things."

It's a non-rhotacised variant so to speak. Cf. Continental Silver-age Classical Dhannuá ''bhōzō'', '''bhōz'''– with Standard Dhannuá ''bhóran'', '''bhór'''-. [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]]''' 01:46, 14 November 2012 (CET)

Oh dear, where dd you get that from? :P Flattering, though!

Let's see... from ''Bhōzōiōm'' from *bʰeh₂, then ''peri'' from *peri... Why voice*h₁és(e)t(i) to ''izd''? Also, I suppose the "she" and "they" are feminine demonstratives? Maybe you could gloss that differently? Also, the ''Lannarīzānd'' is not that transparent to me...! Amazing language, truly! :D [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 20:39, 14 November 2012 (CET)

Comlang

2012-11-14T20:51:49Z

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| Tonal = no
| Declensions = yes
| Conjugations = yes
| Genders = 3
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| Case = yes
| Number = yes 
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| Gender = yes
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==General information==
The so far unnamed '''Comlang''' is a '''community conlang''' constructed jointly by four users on the Conlang Wiki. The main contributors are, in alphabetic order:
*[[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]]
*'''[[User:OlykoekSlayer|OlykoekSlayer]]'''
*[[File:PMOB.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán|ontā́ bán]]'''
*[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]'''
Being a community conlang, it is updated very sporadically, and only after decent consensus by the contributors. Most attributes pass a smaller vote to be implemented on this page, following a discussion on the connected [[Forum:Comlang|forum page]]. If you have any general suggestions or ideas, or simply want to join in on creating the language, please, just leave any of the members a message, or engage yourself on the [[Forum:Comlang|forum page]]!

The language proper has been agreed upon that it should be a [[w:Turkic|Turkic]]-style language, with a [[w:Hungarian|Hungarian]]-inspired orthography, and thus naturalistic in its ambitions. It is synthetic, to what degree has not yet been decided, and it has a [[morphosyntactic alignment|nominative-accusative alignment]].

==Phonology and orthography==
===Consonants===
{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" {{bluetab}} style="width: 830px; text-align:center;"
! style="width: 90px; "|
! style="width: 90px; " |Bilabial
! style="width: 90px; " |Labio-dental
! style="width: 90px; " |Alveolar
! style="width: 110px; " |Alveolo-palatal
! style="width: 90px; " |Palatal
! style="width: 90px; " |Velar
! style="width: 90px; " |Labio-velar
! style="width: 90px; " |Glottal
|-
! style="" |Nasal
| '''m''' /m/
|
| '''n''' /n/
|
| '''ny''' /ɲ/
|
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|-
! style="" |Plosive
| '''p''' /p/ '''b''' /b/
|
| '''t''' /t/ '''d''' /d/
|
| '''ky''' /c/ '''gy''' /ɟ/
| '''k''' /k/ '''g''' /g/
|
| '''h''' /h/
|-
! style="" |Fricative
|
| '''f''' /f/ '''v''' /v/
| '''s''' /s/ '''z''' /z/
| '''sy''' /ɕ/ '''zy''' /ʑ/
|
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|-
! style="" |Affricate
|
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| '''ts''' /t͡s/ '''dz''' /d͡z/
| '''tsy''' /t͡ɕ/ '''dzy''' /d͡ʑ/
|
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|-
! style="" |Approximant
|
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| '''l''' /l/
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| '''y''' /j/
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| '''w''' /w/
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|-
! style="" |Trill
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| '''r''' /r/
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|}

===Vowels===
{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" class="bluetable lightbluebg" style="width: 620px; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" style="width: 90px;"|
! colspan="2" style="width: 90px;"|Front
! colspan="2" style="width: 90px;"|Near-front
! colspan="2" style="width: 90px;"|Central
! colspan="2" style="width: 90px;"|Near-back
! colspan="2" style="width: 90px;"|Back
|-
! colspan="2" style="width: 90px;"|
! style="width: 90px; " |short
! style="width: 90px; " |long
! style="width: 90px; " |short
! style="width: 90px; " |long
! style="width: 90px; " |short
! style="width: 90px; " |long
! style="width: 90px; " |short
! style="width: 90px; " |long
! style="width: 90px; " |short
! style="width: 90px; " |long
|-
! rowspan="2"|Close
!unrounded
|
| '''í''' /iː/
|
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|
|
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| '''ı''' /ɯ/
|
|-
!rounded
| '''ü''' /y/
| '''ű''' /yː/
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|
|
| '''ú''' /uː/
|-
! colspan="2"|Near-close
|
|
| '''i''' /ɪ/
|
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| '''u''' /ʊ/
|
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|-
! colspan="2"|Close-mid
| '''ë''' /e/
|'''e̋''' /eː/
|
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|'''o''' /oː/
|-
! colspan="2"|Mid
| '''ö''' /ø̞/
|'''ő''' /ø̞ː/
|
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|-
! colspan="2"|Open-mid
| '''ä''', '''e''' /ɛ/
| '''a̋''', '''é''' /ɛː/
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| '''o''' /ɔ/
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|-
! colspan="2"|Near-open
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|-
! colspan="2"|Open
|
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|'''a''' /ä/
|'''á''' /äː/
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|}

==Grammar==
Noun cases:
#Nominative
#Accusative
#Genitive
#Dative
#Instrumental
#Ablative
#Allative
#Locative

Verbal aspects:
#Imperfective
#Perfective
#Habitual

Verbal tenses:
#Past
#Present
#Future

==Vocabulary==
===Personal pronouns===
''(Subject to change...)''
{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" {{bluetab}} style="width: 800px; text-align:center"
! colspan="12"|Personal pronouns à la Olykoek
!
|-
! colspan="2"|Number→
! colspan="6" rowspan="1" scope="col"|Singular
! colspan="4" rowspan="1" scope="col"|Plural
! colspan="1" rowspan="3" scope="col"|Impersonal
|-
! colspan="2"|Person→
!scope="col" rowspan="2" style="width: 150px; "|1st
!scope="col" colspan="2" style="width: 150px; "|2nd
!scope="col" colspan="3" style="width: 150px; "|3rd
! colspan="2" scope="col" style="width: 150px;"|1st
! colspan="1" rowspan="2" scope="col" style="width: 150px;"|2nd
! scope="col" style="width: 150px;"|3rd
|-
! rowspan="1" scope="col" style="width: 150px;"|Case ↓
! rowspan="1" scope="col" style="width: 150px;"|Register→
! scope="col" style="width: 150px;"|''Familiar''
! scope="col" style="width: 150px;"|''Polite''
!''Masculine''
!''Feminine''
!''Neuter''
!''Inclusive''
!''Exclusive''
!''genders?''
|-
! colspan="2"|Nominative
|
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|-
! colspan="2"|Accusative
|
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|-
! colspan="2"|Dative
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|-
! colspan="2"|Instrumental
|
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|-
! colspan="2"|Genitive
|
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|-
! colspan="2"|Ablative
|
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|-
! colspan="2"|Allative
|
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|-
! colspan="2"|Locative
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|-
! colspan="2" rowspan="1"|''Reflexive?''
|
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|}

==Swadesh list==
{{swadesh
|language=
|nativename=
|I=
|you (singular)=
|he=
|we=
|you (plural)=
|they=
|this=
|that=
|here=
|there=
|who=
|what=
|where=
|when=
|how=
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==Example texts==

[[Category:Conlangs]]

Forum:Comlang

2012-11-14T20:49:03Z

Conlang: /* Grammar */

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==Grammar==

Gender markings... Suggestions? [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 10:22, 20 September 2012 (EST)

Yes, yes, soon! --[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 01:10, 21 September 2012 (EST)

I think it's okay to start now! :)
 [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 11:20, 24 September 2012 (EST)

==Final decisions==
Final desisions? [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 06:20, 19 September 2012 (EST)

Use the inventory above and the mutations suggested by Waahlis. [[File:PMOB.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 06:22, 19 September 2012 (EST)

Okay, just a couple of things:
#Can I archive this?
#What is the final on the case marking?
#Will anyone say a syllable pattern suggestion(s)?!?
#Here is a case marking suggestion:
:{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" {{bluetab}} style="text-align:center;"
! Idea→
! scope="col"| Change First Vowel
! scope="col"| Add Suffix
! scope="col"| Add Prefix
|-
!Nominative
| --
| --
| --
|-
!Accusative
| Chain shift*
| --
| --
|-
!Genitive
| --
| set of suffixes(see the table "suffixes")
| --
|-
!Dative
| Chain shift
| --
| Some nifty prefix "A"
|-
!Instrumental
| --
| --
| Some nifty prefix "B"
|-
!Ablative
| Length shift**
| --
| Some nifty prefix "B"
|-
!Allative
| Length shift
| --
| Some nifty prefix "A"
|-
!Locative
| Length shift
| --
| --
|}
:<nowiki>*</nowiki> A vowel shift
:<nowiki>**</nowiki> Vowel length shift(like a to á, ö to ő, ı and u to ú, and o(/ɔ/) to o(/oː/))
:{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" {{bluetab}} style="width: 780px; text-align:center"
! colspan="6"| Suffix table Personal possessives of ''bok'' - "house"
|-
! colspan="2"| 1st
! colspan="2"| 2nd
! colspan="2"| 3rd
|-
! ''sg''
! ''pl''
! ''sg''
! ''pl''
! ''sg''
! ''pl''
|-
| ''bökım''
| ''bökımız''
| ''bökın''
| ''bökınız''
| ''böglı''
| ''boglerı''
|-
|/bø̞kim/
|/bø̞kimiz/
|/bø̞kin/
|/bø̞kiniz/
|/bø̞gli/
|/bɔglɛri/
|-
| my house
| our house
| your house
| your house
| his/her/its house
| their house
|}
 [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 11:34, 19 September 2012 (EST)

I will come with a concrete suggestion for the case marking in a minute. And yes you may archive all of the discussion but the "Final decisions"-section! [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 18:09, 19 September 2012 (EST)

{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" {{bluetab}} style="text-align:center;"
! colspan="4"| Case marking of the word ''gyum'' - mouth
|-
! Suggestion →
! scope="col"| Change First Vowel
! scope="col"| Add Suffix
! scope="col"| Add Prefix
|-
!Nominative
|colspan="3"| ''gyum''
|-
!Accusative
|
|
| ''agyum''
|-
!Genitive
|
|''gyümin''
|
|-
!Dative
|
|
| ''dugyum''
|-
!Instrumental
| ''gyummed''
|
|
|-
!Ablative
| colspan="2"|''gyúmu''
|
|-
!Allative
|colspan="3"| ''agyúmu''
|-
!Locative
|
|''gyümil''
|
|}

Okay, to clarify:
*The nominative remains unmarked, as in most accusative languages.
*The accusative is marked with a prefix, with a slight nod towards J.R.R. Tolkien and his book.
*The genitive is distinct from the possessive markers, since this case marks origin and relation, no possession. It is marked with the suffix ⟨-in⟩ which causes i-umlaut on the /ʊ/, making it a /y/.
*Datives are formed through the prefix ⟨dV-⟩ where "V" is the following vowel, in this case /ʊ/.
*Instrumentals are formed through the suffix ⟨-med⟩.
*The ablative is interesting, and it is formed through the suffixation of a sole ⟨-u⟩. This open coda does however lengthen the preceding vowel, from ⟨u⟩ /ʊ/ to ⟨ú⟩ /uː/.
*The allative makes the same suffixation as the ablative, including the vowel lenghtening, and prefixes the accusative ⟨a-⟩.
*Locatives are formed through the ⟨-il⟩ suffix, and causes i-umlaut on the preceding vowel.

Those are my suggestions. Opinions? [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 01:10, 21 September 2012 (EST)

I like it, but lets say your suppose to lengthen a long vowel. Would you shorten it? [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 06:18, 21 September 2012 (EST)

You mean if the nominative form were something like ''gyúm''? [[File:PMOB.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 23:29, 21 September 2012 (EST)

Well, there are many alternatives - either we create a whole new declension for such words, or we could leave the word unaffected, or perhaps prohibit such syllable structures in the phonotactics. In my opinion, the vowels should only be geminated if they are followed by an open coda, thus making a lexeme like ''gyúm'' phonotactically impossible. [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 16:34, 22 September 2012 (EST)

Sure, everyone good with all of this as a final decision?
 ][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 11:19, 24 September 2012 (EST)

I'm fine with that :) [[File:PMOB.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 22:29, 24 September 2012 (EST)

Don't rush it if you will! We still need the plural declension! [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 23:34, 24 September 2012 (EST)

Okay, how about adding a -eC, where C is the first (or last) occurring constant? No?
 [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 11:09, 26 September 2012 (EST)

You mean like a partial reduplication of the last syllable...? Hmm, might work... Could get unstable, however. And ugly. What about suffixing ⟨-niz⟩ to the stem, before the case marking? That has analogies in the possessives table. Let me show you what I mean:

{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" {{bluetab}} style="text-align:center;"
! colspan="6"| Case marking of the word ''gyum'' - mouth
|-
! Suggestion →
! scope="col"| singular
! scope="col"| plural1
! scope="col"| plural2
! scope="col"| plural3
! scope="col"| plural4
|-
!Nominative
| ''gyum''
|''gyüminiz''
| ''gyüminiz''
| ''gyümiz''
| ''gyümiz''
|-
!Accusative
| ''agyum''
| ''agyüminiz''
| ''agyüminiz''
| ''agyümiz''
| ''agyümiz''
|-
!Genitive
|''gyümin''
|''gyüminizin''
|''gyümininiz''
|''gyüminiz''
|''gyümizin''
|-
!Dative
| ''dugyum''
| ''dugyüminiz''
| ''dugyüminiz''
| ''dugyümiz''
| ''dugyümiz''
|-
!Instrumental
| ''gyummed''
| ''gyüminizmed''
| ''gyümmediniz''
| ''gyümmediz''
| ''gyümizmed''
|-
!Ablative
|''gyúmu''
| ''gyüminízu''
| ''gyumüniz''
| ''gyumuz''
| ''gyumuz''
|-
!Allative
|''agyúmu''
|''agyüminízu''
|''agyumüniz''
| ''agyumuz''
| ''agyumuz''
|-
!Locative
|''gyümil''
|''gyüminizil''
|''gyümiliniz''
|''gyümiliz''
|''gyümizil''
|}

[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 04:10, 28 September 2012 (EST)

Before the case marking suffixes? I would prefer put it after, but I am fine with it. I, also, would like to shorten it to something like ⟨-(i)z⟩, but if it's looks too ugly, unnatural, etc. then I can live with ⟨-niz⟩. I'm really no expert :P
 [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 05:31, 29 September 2012 (EST)

I've added them! More opinions? [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 16:36, 29 September 2012 (EST)

I, personally like the last one because I don't think "mouth" needs to get as long as ''gyüminizmed''. Maybe we should have it before the case markings, kinda like you suggested. :/
 [[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 01:10, 1 October 2012 (EST)

<nowiki>*Wait*.... *Wait*.... *Wait*....</nowiki> Are you guys ever going to share your opinions? Come on!
 [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 11:10, 3 October 2012 (EST)

I'm back! Sorry, school has gotten in the way. :/

But it looks like you people never progressed... Let's get this language moving!

We'll vote on:
*Case marking ''FINAL''. We are ending this thing that went on forever.
*Syllable pattern opinion.
We said we were going to get this done, but we got merely nothing done.
 [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 00:57, 15 October 2012 (EST)

I am sorry, but I have had other matters to attend to, the Main page, Featured languages, templates, my own languages. MOB has had, I am citing, "an internet on the fritz". You need to be patient, comlangs go on for years. Concerning the plural case marking, I'll add a fourth column for your last suggestion! :) The syllable structure needs a bit more discussion, I believe. [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 01:42, 15 October 2012 (EST)

Okay, sorry for being impatient, but I just get frustrated when I come back after a month and a half and not a single comment at all, even what you just said never stated an opinion. I just don't want to say one comment per month, then it would take decades to finish this. And, if you may, state your opinion on case markings. I would prefer that there would be at least four comment per two weeks, that would make it more intrusting for me. You need to take about six minutes out of your week, three minutes per comment.
 [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 02:31, 15 October 2012 (EST)

Watch the tone, if you may, I don't think you're in position to comment on that, since you yourself have been gone for awhile. Now, I've added the last plural case marking. I am a bit split on number 3 and 4, I must say. Number 4 isn't as repetitive, but 3 simply looks better. [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 02:50, 15 October 2012 (EST)

I'm sorry for being rude, for I was trying exactly NOT that, I was just stating my frustration, ''after'' I asks twice for people opinion and no one responded, and I get your point of view, try to hear out mine. I wasn't trying to give you attitude, just an opinion. What really frustrates me is that I am always the one having to start up the conversations, but I really don't want to get in to this again. Thank you very much for opinion, I prefer 4 but let's see what the others say.
 [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 05:56, 15 October 2012 (EST)

As you hopefully understand; Nor was I attempting to be rude. And I do understand you, I really do. But then, every time you're in a group project, there'll be a driving force, and... the rest. Start leaving messages at their talk pages if you want to? [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 06:05, 15 October 2012 (EST)

I'm happy with the case endings, the only thing I would say is that yes, the words can get a bit long even with a one syllable root word so I would prefer to simply us "-iz". [[File:PMOB.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 00:03, 17 October 2012 (EST)

Which one do you prefer then? [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 01:54, 17 October 2012 (EST)

"-iz" [[File:PMOB.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 03:28, 17 October 2012 (EST)

"-iz" covers two alternative plural markings, 3 and 4. [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 04:11, 17 October 2012 (EST)

Oops, so it does! Number 4. [[File:PMOB.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 04:17, 17 October 2012 (EST)

So the final final final decision is 4?
 [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 21:45, 14 November 2012 (CET)

==To Do List==

Since I'm really the only one who gets people actually do thing, I want to make a to do list.

[[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 06:54, 7 July 2012 (EST)

# Discuss possible ways of case marking '''Done'''
# Discuss possible ways of gender marking
# Work on determiners, conjunctions, other key words?
# Work on ways of marking definiteness (shall we have articles?)
# Chill with some pronoun development
# Work on the writing system (runes)
# Create pseudo-historical roots of words, proto-language kind of schtuff
# Create core vocabulary for the lang
# Possibly make up some background(if we want to)
# Profit
Filled it in, feel free to change it --'''[[User:OlykoekSlayer|OlykoekSlayer]]''' 14:35, 14 July 2012 (EST)

Thanks for doing this :)

[[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 02:41, 15 July 2012 (EST)

Aww, my ??? profit meme was ruined :p anyway, no problem, I'll begin on the next section above. --'''[[User:OlykoekSlayer|OlykoekSlayer]]''' 09:39, 15 July 2012 (EST)

(Keeping this for reference)

==Writing System==

I've just ran into the problem of our writing system, runes. If we really want runes to work, we need to make symbols. If you don't care, I'm studying natural scripts, so I could find a fit.

[[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 01:06, 20 July 2012 (EST)

Well, we could make our own runeset, or use the Elder Futhark, or any of its descendants. That or we could use those runesets that MOB pointed out. Whatever happened to him anyway? --'''[[User:OlykoekSlayer|OlykoekSlayer]]''' 05:47, 20 July 2012 (EST)

We decided on normal runes, I have a list of Unicode rune characters below in pdf form.

[http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U16A0.pdf List Here]

[[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 07:18, 20 July 2012 (EST)

I'm here! My laptop broke so I've not had one for ages :( [[File:PMOB.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]'''
[[Category:Forum]]

If provided with the phonotactic set, I might be in a position to make something. [[User:Messenger|Ãngelos]] -- [[User_Talk:Messenger|Моꙗ́ Бєсѣ́да]] 23:25, 30 September 2012 (EST)

Phonotactics have not been decided upon yet. If you have suggestions you're welcome to make a section on the matter. --[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 23:44, 30 September 2012 (EST)

Thank you, Waahlis.

==Phonotactic Set==
I believe we need a set of rules for sound positioning. I shall suggest:

:(A)(S)V(C)

Here, I have used the tokens of "A", "S", "V" and "C"; "A" is the placeholder for sonorant consonants, "S" is the placehold for obstruent consonants, "V" is the placeholder for all vowels carrying along length, "C" is the placeholder for consonants in general. [[User:Messenger|Ãngelos]] -- [[User_Talk:Messenger|Моꙗ́ Бєсѣ́да]] 23:52, 30 September 2012 (EST)

Seems like a decent proposal to me. Not that it matters, but why not use "S" for sonorant and "O" for obstruent or is this a convention I'm not aware of? [[File:PMOB.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 01:49, 1 October 2012 (EST)

Sounds good to me! Anyone dislike/disapprove it?
 [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 11:10, 3 October 2012 (EST)

Forum:Comlang/2

2012-11-14T20:48:49Z

Conlang: Created page with "{{Archived}} ==Grammar== ===Voting=== {| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" class="wikitable article-table" style="width: 780px; text-align:center" ! rowspan="1"|Part..."

{{Archived}}

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===Voting===
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! colspan="1" scope="col"|[[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]]
! colspan="1" scope="col"|'''[[User:OlykoekSlayer|OlykoekSlayer]]'''
! colspan="1" scope="col"|'''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]'''
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|For
|For
|4
|0
|Yes
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!Accusative
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|For
|For
|For
|4
|0
|Yes
|-
!Genitive
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|For
|For
|For
|4
|0
|Yes
|-
!Dative
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|For
|For
|For
|4
|0
|Yes
|-
!Benefactive
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|Against
|Against
|0
|4
|No
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!Instrumental
|For
|For
|For
|For
|4
|0
|Yes
|-
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|For
|For
|For
|4
|0
|Yes
|-
!Allative
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|For
|For
|For
|4
|0
|Yes
|-
!Locative
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|For
|For
|4
|0
|Yes
|-
!Perfective
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|For
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|For
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|For
|For
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|1
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!Present
|For
|For
|For
|For
|4
|0
|Yes
|-
!Future
|For
|For
|For
|For
|4
|0
|Yes
|-
!Masculine
|For
|For
|For
|For
|4
|0
|Yes
|-
!Feminine
|For
|For
|For
|For
|4
|0
|Yes
|-
!Neuter
|For
|For
|Neutral
|For
|3
|0
|Yes
|-
![http://wals.info/chapter/32 "Vegetable"]
|Against
|Against
|Neutral
|For
|1
|2
|No
|-
!SOV word order
|For
|Neutral
|For
|Against
|2
|1
|Yes
|-
!Trigraph
|Against
|Neutral
|For
|For
|2
|1
|Yes
|}

===Discussion===
====Marking case, gender, definiteness, & number====
=====Case=====
So because we already have a working orthography and we have decided our cases, I think the next logical step is how we will go about marking cases. I know that I love to use different affixes on the nouns to do the job of determining a generic noun's case, of course we aren't limited to that. I also like the ideas of using particles to explain grammatical case. Other languages mark case in their articles(of course our definiteness system is not decided either). We could even have a catch all particle that determines gender, number, case, and definiteness, but in my opinion, that is a bit un-fun :D --'''[[User:OlykoekSlayer|OlykoekSlayer]]''' 09:47, 15 July 2012 (EST)

I'll get to this tomorrow. :)

[[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 10:51, 15 July 2012 (EST)

I am not much of the agglutinative type, and prefer fusionality, but please, expand upon the particles idea. [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 20:38, 15 July 2012 (EST)

I was thinking about Japanese's particles(they have a lot) fore or aft a noun phrase to indicate case, definiteness, or whatever need be. --'''[[User:OlykoekSlayer|OlykoekSlayer]]''' 02:26, 18 July 2012 (EST)

I like the particle idea, but I was also thinking for case or gender we could change the first vowel, lets take the imaginary word "nípéi", the feminine form could be "napéi", and the masculine form could be "nóupéi", the neuter form being just "nípéi". We could also do that with cases.

[[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 06:16, 19 July 2012 (EST)

That sounds good for case, but one word only requires one gender, it doesn't really make much sense to have words be able to change for different genders(unless you want each of the word with different genders to have sundry definitions). --'''[[User:OlykoekSlayer|OlykoekSlayer]]''' 06:32, 19 July 2012 (EST)

I think he's referring to pronouns? Deictics? [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 07:18, 19 July 2012 (EST)

Your both kinda right, but, like oly said, it probably would be better for cases. We could also make a single suffix for tense and gender. I don't know, just an idea.

Here is a list of vowels/vowel diphthongs for the cases:
*í
**/iː/
*ü
**/y/
*ï
**/ɯ/
*ú
**/uː/
*i
**/ɪ/
*u
**/ʊ/
*é
**/eː/
*ó
**/oː/
*ö
**/ø̞/
*e
**/ɛ/
*o
**/ɔ/
*á
**/ɐː/
*a
**/a/
*ai
**/aɪ/
*éi
**/eːɪ/
*ói
**/oːɪ/
*au
**/aʊ/
*óu
**/oːʊ/
*ia
**/ɪa/
*ió
**/ɪoː/
*iú
**/ɪuː/
[[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 08:13, 19 July 2012 (EST)

Also, is it okay if I archive everything except this, the voting form, and the to do list? -CL

Okay, I'm not really following, could you give a couple of hypothetical examples? :P And yes, archive away! [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 19:02, 19 July 2012 (EST)

Okay, lets again take the imaginary word "nípéi", for nominative we could make the word "nóupéi", for accusative "nepéi", for genitive "nüpéi", etc. . We just change the first occurring vowel in the word for the cases, and I listed possible vowels above.

[[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 00:37, 20 July 2012 (EST)

Ah I see your point Whaalis with the pronouns, anyhow, generally the original form i. e. "nípéi" would be the nominative case, or the vocative case, then further inflections like "nóupéi" would be the accusative(or whichever). I like that you made a list of vowels, but I only understand the IPA, not sure about random acutes and diaereses/umlaut. --'''[[User:OlykoekSlayer|OlykoekSlayer]]''' 05:44, 20 July 2012 (EST)

Okay, I put in the IPA.

[[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 06:34, 20 July 2012 (EST)

{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" class="wikitable article-table" style="width: 780px; text-align:center"
! Idea→
! scope="col"| Change First Vowel
! scope="col"| Add Suffix
! scope="col"| Add Prefix
! scope="col"| (fill in)
! scope="col"| (fill in)
|-
!Nominative
| No Change
| None
| None
|
|
|-
!Accusative
|
|
|
|
|
|-
!Genitive
|
|
|
|
|
|-
!Dative
|
|
|
|
|
|-
!Instrumental
|
|
|
|
|
|-
!Ablative
|
|
|
|
|
|-
!Allative
|
|
|
|
|
|-
!Locative
|
|
|
|
|
|}

I'm just going to say it straight out; I'm kinda tired of always having to start a conversation. You guys (or gals) can't just wait til someone else replies! you actually have to do something!

[[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 10:18, 22 July 2012 (EST)

Well I was going to reply, but then I realized I selfishly wanted to use my idea of morphology on my own language. MOB must have died, and Whaalis wandered off, haha. :) --'''[[User:OlykoekSlayer|OlykoekSlayer]]''' 14:25, 22 July 2012 (EST)

This is my personal preference
{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" class="wikitable article-table" style="width: 780px; text-align:center"
! Idea→
! scope="col"| Change First Vowel
! scope="col"| Add Suffix
! scope="col"| Add Prefix
|-
!Nominative
| --
| --
| --
|-
!Accusative
| Chain shift "A"
| --
| --
|-
!Genitive
| --
| set of suffixes
| --
|-
!Dative
| Chain shift "A"
| --
| Some nifty prefix "A"
|-
!Instrumental
| --
| --
| Some nifty prefix "B"
|-
!Ablative
| Chain shift "B"
|
| Some nifty prefix "B"
|-
!Allative
| Chain shift "B"
|
| Some other nifty prefix "A"
|-
!Locative
| Chain shift "B"
| --
| --
|}
--'''[[User:OlykoekSlayer|OlykoekSlayer]]''' 14:38, 22 July 2012 (EST)

What do you mean by "A" and "B"?

[[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 02:39, 23 July 2012 (EST)

Ah, now I see what you are referring to, [[w:Apophony]], am I right. CL, A and B are just general examples, you know ''x/y''. Well, I am not reeeaally much for the idea. Perhaps if we use it in conjunction with suffixes? For example, a hypothetical suffix "-im" could through i-umlaut converge an "a" into an "e": CaCCV + -im -> CeCCim. [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 02:44, 23 July 2012 (EST)

Sure, fine by me. I like oly's idea, how about having...
*vowel change A = é /eː/
*vowel change B = óu /oːʊ/
*prefix A = mí- /miː/
*prefix B = maybe ku- /kʊ/
*suffix for genitive = -(i)m(/ɪm/), -(o)paim(/opaɪm/), or -(e)kíny(/kiːɲ/)
<nowiki>:</nowiki>/

I'm really bad at this. Come up with some better prefixes and suffixes, please.

[[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 03:24, 23 July 2012 (EST)

I'll take a look at some Turkish as soon as possible. But maybe we ought to plan the system before we consider the form? [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 04:13, 23 July 2012 (EST)

Okay. -CL

That sounds awesome Waahlis, but the thing about the vowel shifts for ablaut(or whatnot thou wilt to call it) is that all the possible first vowels of the word have their original forms, then their shifted forms. I'm not sure how it works with only A as é and B as óu? --'''[[User:OlykoekSlayer|OlykoekSlayer]]''' 06:50, 23 July 2012 (EST)

Care to clarify :p ? [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 06:57, 23 July 2012 (EST)

I think he means if A is "é", what would happen if the word is "népéi"? Then it'd be both nominative and accusative at the same time.

How I'd fix it is I'd say A is é/í. That mean A is always é, unless the words first vowel is already é, then it's í.

I think B then should be óu/au.

[[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 08:06, 23 July 2012 (EST)

What I mean is what if our word is, for example, "draubít"(these must now all be words for our lang :p) where both shifts A and B do not mention au according to your rules. I am saying, for each shift, we must have a pattern for all vowels to follow to become a new vowel, and the single next shift will have a different pattern for each vowel. Not all our words will have the same first vowel for every case, will they? --'''[[User:OlykoekSlayer|OlykoekSlayer]]''' 11:05, 23 July 2012 (EST)

Well, that's easily fixed: One example is a synaeresis of diphthongs, or they might go unaffected. By making a table we can see how certain vowels behave in certain environments. [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 19:04, 23 July 2012 (EST)

I feel like your speaking a foreign language here. I got up to "and the single", then ya lost me.

For A and B we want the vowels to shift?

Something like A is "í>ü>ï>ú>i>u>é>ó>ö>e>o>á>a>í" for monophthongs and "ai>éi>ói>au>óu>ia>ió>iú>ai" for diphthongs?

[[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 02:40, 24 July 2012 (EST)

That's basically what I'm saying, we could probably mix up monophthongs and diphthongs, but I'm not too great with phonology, so whatever. :p --'''[[User:OlykoekSlayer|OlykoekSlayer]]''' 04:49, 24 July 2012 (EST)

I could see if Zelos could make a template to shift vowels, but what would the syllable pattern be? (like "(C)V(C)" or "s(p/w)V(C)(n)")

[[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 05:49, 24 July 2012 (EST)

That's okay, just ignore me.

[[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 06:19, 27 July 2012 (EST)

''*cough*'' really? ''*cough*''

You guys all of the sudden give up? Wow, I thought you guys (or gals) are better than that. :/ Guess not. [[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 02:45, 28 July 2012 (EST)

Haha, I've been working on other stuff, and I was waiting to read the results of your talking to Zelos. I think the examples given above would be fine for our vowel shifts. We can move on unless there is something else with marking cases that I missed? --'''[[User:OlykoekSlayer|OlykoekSlayer]]''' 07:09, 28 July 2012 (EST)

All that is left to do for cases is two prefixes and a suffix. for the suffixes, we have -(i)m, -(i)miz, -(i)n, -(i)niz, -(s)i, and -leri.

{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" class="wikitable article-table" style="width: 780px; text-align:center"
! colspan="6"| Genitive
|-
! colspan="2"| 1st
! colspan="2"| 2nd
! colspan="2"| 3rd
|-
! ''sing''
! ''pl''
! ''sing''
! ''pl''
! ''sing''
! ''pl''
|-
| -(í)m
| -(í)míz
| -(í)n
| -(í)níz
| -(s)í
| -lerí
|}
These come from Turkish. :)
 [[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 00:56, 29 July 2012 (EST)

Why are there first and second person genitive suffixes, unless those are supposed to be appended to pronouns? --'''[[User:OlykoekSlayer|OlykoekSlayer]]''' 13:16, 30 July 2012 (EST)

==At it again==
I'm back, but I want to get through this language in under a millennium, so, what are we deciding on? 
What is the syllable pattern(s)? 
What are the prefixes and suffixes? 
Is Oly's template okay? 
{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" {{bluetab}} style="text-align:center; font-size:xx-small;"
! Idea→
! scope="col"| Change First Vowel
! scope="col"| Add Suffix
! scope="col"| Add Prefix
|-
!Nominative
| --
| --
| --
|-
!Accusative
| Chain shift "A"
| --
| --
|-
!Genitive
| --
| set of suffixes
| --
|-
!Dative
| Chain shift "A"
| --
| Some nifty prefix "A"
|-
!Instrumental
| --
| --
| Some nifty prefix "B"
|-
!Ablative
| Chain shift "B"
|
| Some nifty prefix "B"
|-
!Allative
| Chain shift "B"
|
| Some other nifty prefix "A"
|-
!Locative
| Chain shift "B"
| --
| --
|}Lets get this done!
 [[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 06:00, 7 September 2012 (EST)

Yes, I am truly sorry, and I agree. I do however have an idea! Instead of having a set of regularised "chain shifts" like that, I thought we could implement an umlaut system? Since I like the possessive suffixes you proposed, I will use them as examples! I will change it a bit though.

{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" {{bluetab}} style="width: 780px; text-align:center"
! colspan="6"| Personal possessives of ''bok'' - "house"
|-
! colspan="2"| 1st
! colspan="2"| 2nd
! colspan="2"| 3rd
|-
! ''sg''
! ''pl''
! ''sg''
! ''pl''
! ''sg''
! ''pl''
|-
| ''bökım''
| ''bökımız''
| ''bökın''
| ''bökınız''
| ''böglı''
| ''boglerı''
|-
|/bø̞kim/
|/bø̞kimiz/
|/bø̞kin/
|/bø̞kiniz/
|/bø̞gli/
|/bɔglɛri/
|-
| my house
| our house
| your house
| your house
| his/her/its house
| their house
|}

This is a typical "i"-umlaut, where the vowel /i/ simply fronts back vowels.
In the third person plural possessive, however, the following vowel is /ɛ/, which doesn't front vowels, which means ''bok'' would become ''bokleri''. I have however added a twist - the /l/ voices preceding unvoiced letters, resulting in ''bogleri'' - "their house".

Similarly you might add a "u"-umlaut, or "a"-umlaut or the like, which all cooperate with the case suffixes! --[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 16:37, 8 September 2012 (EST)

Here's my suggestion for the vowels and orthography

{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" {{bluetab}} style="width: 540px; text-align:center;"
! style="width: 90px; "|
! style="width: 90px; " |Front
! style="width: 90px; " |Near-front
! style="width: 90px; " |Central
! style="width: 90px; " |Near-back
! style="width: 90px; " |Back
|-
! style="" |Close
| '''ı''' /iː/ '''ü''' /y/
|
|'''i''' /ɨ/
|
| '''y''' /ɯ/ '''u''' /uː/
|-
! style="" |Near-close
|
|
|
| '''u''' /ʊ/
|
|-
! style="" |Close-mid
| '''ë''' /e/
|
|
|
| '''o''' /oː/
|-
! style="" |Mid
| '''ö''' /ø̞/
|
|
|
|
|-
! style="" |Open-mid
| '''e''' /ɛ/
|
|
|
| '''o''' /ɔ/
|-
! style="" |Near-open
|'''ä''' /æ/
|
|
|
|
|-
! style="" |Open
|
|
|'''a''' /ä/
|
|
|}
I'd be happy to I made those up, but the suffixes are directly from Turkish. I am good with your orthography, and now we just have to figure out a syllable pattern, anything else related to syllables, and two nifty prefixes. [[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 00:43, 9 September 2012 (EST)

I like the idea of using these vowel mutations, I never use it and always want to. Are the phonology and orthography being changed now? [[File:PMOB.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 02:23, 9 September 2012 (EST)

Can't we just change the "''ï''" to "'''ı'''" for /ɯ/? I like the current inventory but admittedly the "''ï''" does look a bit odd and "'''ı'''" adds a more Turkish feel:
{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" {{bluetab}} style="width: 540px; text-align:center;"
! style="width: 90px; "|
! style="width: 90px; " |Front
! style="width: 90px; " |Near-front
! style="width: 90px; " |Central
! style="width: 90px; " |Near-back
! style="width: 90px; " |Back
|-
! style="" |Close
| '''í''' /iː/ '''ü''' /y/
|
|
|
| '''ı''' /ɯ/ '''ú''' /uː/
|-
! style="" |Near-close
|
| '''i''' /ɪ/
|
| '''u''' /ʊ/
|
|-
! style="" |Close-mid
| '''é''' /eː/
|
|
|
| '''ó''' /oː/
|-
! style="" |Mid
| '''ö''' /ø̞/
|
|
|
|
|-
! style="" |Open-mid
| '''e''' /ɛ/
|
|
|
| '''o''' /ɔ/
|-
! style="" |Near-open
|
|
| '''á''' /ɐː/
|
|
|-
! style="" |Open
| '''a''' /a/
|
|
|
|
|}
[[File:PMOB.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 02:27, 9 September 2012 (EST)

I like vowel mutations as well, but never do them since they don't fit my languages' feel.

My counter-proposal:

{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" {{bluetab}} style="width: 540px; text-align:center;"
! style="width: 90px; "|
! style="width: 90px; " |Front
! style="width: 90px; " |Near-front
! style="width: 90px; " |Central
! style="width: 90px; " |Near-back
! style="width: 90px; " |Back
|-
! style="" |Close
| '''i''' /iː/ '''ü''' /y/
|
|'''y''' /ɨ/
|
| '''ı''' /ɯ/ '''u''' /uː/
|-
! style="" |Near-close
|
|
|
| '''u''' /ʊ/
|
|-
! style="" |Close-mid
| '''ë''' /e/
|
|
|
| '''o''' /oː/
|-
! style="" |Mid
| '''ö''' /ø̞/
|
|
|
|
|-
! style="" |Open-mid
| '''e''' /ɛ/
|
|
|
| '''o''' /ɔ/
|-
! style="" |Near-open
|'''ä''' /æ/
|
|
|
|
|-
! style="" |Open
|
|
|'''a''' /ä/
|
|
|}

I intended for my revised vowel inventory and orthography to be slightly more consistent, and correlate better with an "i"-mutation. [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 03:31, 9 September 2012 (EST)

I really do hate /æ/ and why are you using "''y''" for /ɨ/ when we're already using it for /j/ and in digraphs and trigraphs. Plus I thought we agreed on a Hungarian looking orthography (with "''ı''" adding a hint of Turkish if we're to use that). [[File:PMOB.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 03:40, 9 September 2012 (EST)

Well, I have no problems with letters not having a 1:1 correspondence, but I do know that you do. Lets delete /ɨ/ and ⟨y⟩ altogether then. Concerning the /æ/ rally seems like it bothers some English-speaking conlangers! I suppose that we could let the umlauted /ä/ become /ɛ/, identical with ⟨e⟩ in pronunciation, which is rather naturalistic. Using a mixed orthography between Turkish and Hungarian isn't impossible, is it? [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 03:49, 9 September 2012 (EST)

I don't have problem with letters not having a 1:1 correspondence either, just in this instance I think it's best, especially with the long vowels. [[File:PMOB.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 03:57, 9 September 2012 (EST)

Oh come on, you have a problem with /æ/? I have a problem with a quarter of the vowels in your systems, like /ɯ/, I mean what the heck is that? It's a bit of a surprise to me that /æ/ is really only American, I guess, because it just seems so natural like in cat /kæt/. I only just "learned" the generic a /a/ inbetween /æ/ and /ɑ/ by clipping off the /i/ from the diphthong /ai/ as in the pronoun. :o That felt long-winded, haha --'''[[User:OlykoekSlayer|OlykoekSlayer]]''' 12:12, 9 September 2012 (EST)

Welcome back! And the thing is that he knows how to pronounce it - obviously, being a Brit - but he doesn't like the sound of it. I have problems with very few vowels, since Swedish has got a huge inventory..! The /æ/ for example sounds rather rural in Sweden.

{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" class="bluetable lightbluebg" style="width: 620px; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" style="width: 90px;"|
! colspan="2" style="width: 90px;"|Front
! colspan="2" style="width: 90px;"|Near-front
! colspan="2" style="width: 90px;"|Central
! colspan="2" style="width: 90px;"|Near-back
! colspan="2" style="width: 90px;"|Back
|-
! colspan="2" style="width: 90px;"|
! style="width: 90px; " |short
! style="width: 90px; " |long
! style="width: 90px; " |short
! style="width: 90px; " |long
! style="width: 90px; " |short
! style="width: 90px; " |long
! style="width: 90px; " |short
! style="width: 90px; " |long
! style="width: 90px; " |short
! style="width: 90px; " |long
|-
! rowspan="2"|Close
!unrounded
|
| '''í''' /iː/
|
|
|
|
|
|
| '''ı''' /ɯ/
|
|-
!rounded
| '''ü''' /y/
| '''ű''' /yː/
|
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| '''ú''' /uː/
|-
! colspan="2"|Near-close
|
|
| '''i''' /ɪ/
|
|
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| '''u''' /ʊ/
|
|
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|-
! colspan="2"|Close-mid
| '''ë''' /e/
|'''e̋''' /eː/
|
|
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|
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|'''o''' /oː/
|-
! colspan="2"|Mid
| '''ö''' /ø̞/
|'''ő''' /ø̞ː/
|
|
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|
|
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|-
! colspan="2"|Open-mid
| '''ä''', '''e''' /ɛ/
| '''a̋''', '''é''' /ɛː/
|
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| '''o''' /ɔ/
|
|-
! colspan="2"|Near-open
|
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|-
! colspan="2"|Open
|
|
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|'''a''' /ä/
|'''á''' /äː/
|
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|}

What about this example then? I have included all long vowels, and removed ⟨y⟩. The letter ⟨ı⟩ cannot be geminated. [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 19:13, 9 September 2012 (EST)

Shall we either move "''i''" to /ɪ/ or "''u''" to /u/? Or do you like the asymmetry? [[File:PMOB.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 20:37, 9 September 2012 (EST)

I am quite the fan of asymmetry yes. But why should we move /i/ to /ɪ/? [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 20:52, 9 September 2012 (EST)

Just because if short "''u''" is /ʊ/ then I think it'd be more likely for short "''i''" to be /ɪ/, though I'm sure there will be natlangs that do not do this. [[File:PMOB.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 21:05, 9 September 2012 (EST)

No, I figured you meant that. No problem. Otherwise? [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 21:10, 9 September 2012 (EST)

Otherwise...? We either change short "''i''" or leave it as it is, but I'm not overly bothered by it as it is. [[File:PMOB.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 21:12, 9 September 2012 (EST)

I've changed the short /i/ already! "Otherwise" how do you like it? [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 21:16, 9 September 2012 (EST)

Oops, missed that :) I'm happy with it! If everyone else is. [[File:PMOB.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 21:24, 9 September 2012 (EST)

Circumfixes [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 21:35, 9 September 2012 (EST)

I would like to add them. :) [[File:PMOB.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 21:54, 9 September 2012 (EST)

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2012-11-14T20:46:59Z

Conlang: Created page with "{{Archive|1}} ==Phonology and orthography== Okay, I will post a phonology tomorrow because I'm off for now! [[File:PMOB.png|25px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Ad..."

{{Archive|1}}
==Phonology and orthography==
Okay, I will post a phonology tomorrow because I'm off for now! [[File:PMOB.png|25px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán|ontā́ bán]]''' 08:16, 13 June 2012 (EST)

Here is a phonology table, fill in at will:

{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" class="wikitable article-table" style="width: 600px; text-align:center;"
! style="width: 75px; "|
! style="width: 75px; " |Bilabial
! style="width: 75px; " |Labio-dental
! style="width: 75px; " |Alveolar
! style="width: 75px; " |Alveolo-palatal
! style="width: 75px; " |Palatal
! style="width: 75px; " |Labio-Velar
! style="width: 75px; " |Velar
! style="width: 75px; " |Glottal
|-
! style="" |Nasal
| m
|
| n
|
| ɲ
|
|
|
|-
! style="" |Plosive
| p b
|
| t d
|
| c ɟ
|
| k g
| h
|-
! style="" |Fricative
|
| f v
| s z
| ɕ ʑ
|
|
|
|
|-
! style="" |Affricate
|
|
| ts dz
| tɕ dʑ
|
|
|
|
|-
! style="" |Approximant
|
|
| l
|
| j
| w
|
|
|-
! style="" |Trill
|
|
|
| r
|
|
|
|
|}
[[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 08:24, 13 June 2012 (EST)

Idea; I really want to make this natural '''and''' unique, so... I suggest we use a Korean styled writing system! (which I'm an expert at :D)

Any thoughts?

[[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 11:43, 13 June 2012 (EST)

Well that's definitely unique, but I have absolutely no experience with it. The only alphabets I understand are Latin and Runic. --'''[[User:OlykoekSlayer|OlykoekSlayer]]''' 13:17, 13 June 2012 (EST)

I'd really rather just use Latin to be honest. Here is my phonology/orthography: [http://conlang.wikkii.com/w/images/conlang/uploads/1/13/Comlang_consonants.png consonants] and [http://conlang.wikkii.com/w/images/conlang/uploads/d/db/Comlang_vowels.png vowels]. [[File:PMOB.png|25px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán|ontā́ bán]]''' 18:18, 13 June 2012 (EST)

I've added some possible diphthongs to the vowels. [[File:PMOB.png|25px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán|ontā́ bán]]''' 18:46, 13 June 2012 (EST)

:A. (''Korean'')Okay, I just wanted to throw that idea out there. If you are entrusted in learning Korean: [http://www.ryanestrada.com/ebooks/Learn%20to%20Read%20Korean%20in%2015%20Minutes.pdf Learn to Read Korean in 15 Minutes].

:B. (''consonants'')Okay, can I record that down?

[[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 05:43, 14 June 2012 (EST)

A: I can read Hangul (albeit the highly adapted version that I use for Bamenese) but I don't think it'd go. B: You can do if Olykoek approves! What do you think of the uvulars, CL? [[File:PMOB.png|25px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 06:12, 14 June 2012 (EST)

I'd gladly learn Hangul, and I think that it ought ton to be ruled out - can't we construct a phonology and latin orthography first and- if you want - CL, you could develop a suiting Hangul orthography? --[[File:Admin.png|25px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 06:43, 14 June 2012 (EST)

Yes! Thank you, I'd love to! I'll start working on it right now!

[[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 06:50, 14 June 2012 (EST)

...Lets back up. Are you saying no? Or are you say I should make one that fits the language? -CL

I like the idea of using runes. [[File:PMOB.png|25px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 07:02, 14 June 2012 (EST)

Runes it is! Uvulars... I think we could
#Take some out
#Replace some for other similar sounds
#Both take some out and replace some for other similar sounds
Uvulars are hard to pronounce.
-CL

Okay, no Hangul, apparently? Orkhon runes then? And I think having uvulars is a bit too much? --[[File:Admin.png|25px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 07:09, 14 June 2012 (EST)

Yes( :( ), Yes I think, and (MOB, answer).-CL

Orkhon runes aren't available generally, so let's go with normal runes if so. --[[File:Admin.png|25px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 07:15, 14 June 2012 (EST)

Fine, no uvulars, just change the R to an alveolar trill. [[File:PMOB.png|25px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 07:33, 14 June 2012 (EST)

Finished recording the consonants, on to vowels:

{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" class="wikitable article-table" style="width: 540px; text-align:center;"
! style="width: 90px; "|
! style="width: 90px; " |Front
! style="width: 90px; " |Near-front
! style="width: 90px; " |Central
! style="width: 90px; " |Near-back
! style="width: 90px; " |Back
|-
! style="" |Close
| (iː y)
|
|
|
| (ɯ uː)
|-
! style="" |Near-close
|
| (ɪ)
|
| ʊ
|
|-
! style="" |Close-mid
| (eː)
|
|
|
| (oː)
|-
! style="" |Mid
| (ø̞)
|
| ə
|
|
|-
! style="" |Open-mid
| ɛ
|
|
|
| (ɔ)
|-
! style="" |Near-open
| æ
|
| (ɐː)
|
|
|-
! style="" |Open
| (a)
|
|
|
|
|}
I definitely wouldn't mind learning the Korean or Hangul(or whatnot :p) alphabet for this. I definitely love the Elder Futhark runes also. They don't show up for me on this page, but we can write them with the Greenlandic keyboard(this is what I get typing a to z): 
ᚨ ᛒ ᚲ ᛞ ᛖ ᚠ ᚷ ᚺ ᛁ ᛃ ᚲ ᛚ ᛗ ᚾ ᛟ ᛈ ᚦ ᚱ ᛋ ᛏ ᚢ ᚹ ᚹ ᛜ ᛇ ᛉ 
Either way works for me, and I'm sure there's a way to use the Younger Futhark or the Anglo-Saxon Futhorc
I'm also not familiar with uvulars, but I'm willing to learn to pronounce any consonant(still trying to get the velar fricative down...) --'''[[User:OlykoekSlayer|OlykoekSlayer]]''' 08:03, 14 June 2012 (EST)

Oh, the velar fricative is easy, it's like this: "khschkkkhxxkh". Whilst the uvular fricative is pronounced "qhqhqhhhsckkhshccqqh". It's an approximation, of course. --[[File:Admin.png|25px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 08:08, 14 June 2012 (EST)

Lmao, well that's quite the guide. anyhow, we could also use the medieval runes, which is like the most underrated set of runes ever, but they're cool because of that. It's also really tempting to add a dental fricative to our phonology --'''[[User:OlykoekSlayer|OlykoekSlayer]]''' 08:13, 14 June 2012 (EST)

Also I've taken the liberty to add four vowels because ye added seven consonants that I've never consciously pronounced :) --'''[[User:OlykoekSlayer|OlykoekSlayer]]''' 08:42, 14 June 2012 (EST)

Then I must ask,agaın, where you're from!? /ɛ/ is the "e" in "bed" for example! /æ/ is the "cat" sound for most Americans? --[[File:Admin.png|25px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 08:47, 14 June 2012 (EST)

Uh, yeah... and talk is /tɑk/, not /tɔk/ unless it's an impersonation of the British generally. How do you Swedes pronounce these!? --'''[[User:OlykoekSlayer|OlykoekSlayer]]''' 09:09, 14 June 2012 (EST)

No, sorry, I've been in Northern England a few times, and it has affected my pronunciation... The general Swede would probably say: /tɑk/, and use /u/ for /ʊ/, and the unreduced vowel for /ə/... There goes the myth about Swedes being good at English... --[[File:Admin.png|25px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 17:46, 14 June 2012 (EST)

"Talk" has a long vowel for English people (and Welsh, probably not for Scots): /tɔːk/. I've heard quite a lot of Americans pronounce it /tɑə̯k/. [[File:PMOB.png|25px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 18:45, 14 June 2012 (EST)

Why does the chart only have four vowels? :S [[File:PMOB.png|25px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 18:46, 14 June 2012 (EST)

It varied quite a lot up north in England, especially amongst the Scots. Can't say I remember them though. Olykoek just wanted those ones to be in the lang. --[[File:Admin.png|25px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 19:17, 14 June 2012 (EST)

It does (trust me, I'm from the North), though I'm not great with the various Scottish accents I can do Glasgow and Edinburgh but that's about it. Some places in the North /eɪ̯/ and /əʊ̯/ becomes /eː/ and /oː/ and my nana used to pronounced word such as "look" (/lʊk/) as /luk/. In some places near where I live /ɑː/ also becomes /aː/. [[File:PMOB.png|25px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 19:28, 14 June 2012 (EST)

Not to mention word final /k/ becoming /x/ in Liverpool! (and sometimes elsewhere, e.g. fucking /fʊxɪn/) [[File:PMOB.png|25px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 19:33, 14 June 2012 (EST)

I did hear all the first sounds (considering they mirror my pronunciation quite well...), but a fuxing /x/! I've never heard tha'! --[[File:Admin.png|25px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 20:45, 14 June 2012 (EST)

It's quite localised to Liverpool. Saying that, I sometimes make that sound in "fuck" et cetera when I'm angry :p [[File:PMOB.png|25px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 21:34, 14 June 2012 (EST)

Oh, we don't even say such nasty things in Sweden, we are very cautious not to insult anyone! --[[File:Admin.png|25px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 23:11, 14 June 2012 (EST)

Your accents are awesome :D, but where'd my poor little labio-velar approximate go :( --'''[[User:OlykoekSlayer|OlykoekSlayer]]''' 17:43, 15 June 2012 (EST)

I don't know, but I think we should start grammar soon.

[[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 01:30, 16 June 2012 (EST)

You're not getting rid of my labio-velar approximate that easily :P Alright, my schedule is now less busy after this week, so I'll see to this grammar now --'''[[User:OlykoekSlayer|OlykoekSlayer]]''' 07:51, 16 June 2012 (EST)

I suppose Tatar does have /w/... [[File:PMOB.png|25px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 19:57, 16 June 2012 (EST)

==Participation==
I will state from the begining that I will not participate in this.

But I hope you all do a great job and I am curious to see how it goes =) [[File:Zelos.png|25px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 13:44, 13 June 2012 (EST)

Perhaps, you can watch over it so we don't make an extremely ridiculous concoction of a language :) --'''[[User:OlykoekSlayer|OlykoekSlayer]]''' 13:51, 13 June 2012 (EST)

==Grammar==

====Alignment====
Come on people! Do I really need to talk to myself?(If you didn't catch that, I basically said, "You guys/girls aren't replying to me.")

Don't quit now!

[[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 05:55, 16 June 2012 (EST)

Waahlis is on holiday btw. Okay, what kind of grammar? I.e. which alignment. [[File:PMOB.png|25px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 05:59, 16 June 2012 (EST)

I'd like either direct or active-stative. Whats Hungarians alignment? Turkish?

[[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 06:33, 16 June 2012 (EST)

Both Hungarian and Turkish are nominative-accusative (and both are agglutinative). [[File:PMOB.png|25px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 06:45, 16 June 2012 (EST)

I guess nominative-accusative is good. What do you think?

[[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 02:42, 21 June 2012 (EST)

Nominative-accusative is great --'''[[User:OlykoekSlayer|OlykoekSlayer]]''' 04:18, 21 June 2012 (EST)

Fine by me. It's the easiest alignment which is probably a good thing for a collaboration. [[File:PMOB.png|25px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 04:54, 21 June 2012 (EST)
====Genders====
Have we any form of genders in this language. Maybe m vs f (vs n), c vs n, or other random genders like earth, fire, wind, water, heart? :P --'''[[User:OlykoekSlayer|OlykoekSlayer]]''' 10:34, 21 June 2012 (EST)

I like the idea of the four elements plus heart/soul. Either that or the 12 zodiac signs.

[[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 13:30, 21 June 2012 (EST)

I do too, those last five I said are from an old cartoon called Captain Planet that I never actually saw, but it's kinda a meme :P --'''[[User:OlykoekSlayer|OlykoekSlayer]]''' 13:54, 21 June 2012 (EST)

I only do one two or three genders then, if higher, eight or so noun classes. I'd be okay with doing masculine, feminine, neuter and "vegetable" à la [http://wals.info/chapter/32 Bininj Gun-Wok (aka Gunwinggu).] [[File:PMOB.png|25px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 18:42, 21 June 2012 (EST)

I like the idea for just masculine, feminine, and neuter for genders, if not, then earth, fire, wind, water, and heart. What exactly are noun cases anyway?

[[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 08:25, 22 June 2012 (EST)
====Cases====
Noun cases are some of my favorite bits of grammar. You can probably look them up, but I'll give a brief overview. They define how a noun is used in a clause. In English, we normally determine grammatical case by the position of the noun.
*Subject case - before verb
*Object case - after verb
*Genitive case - nouns with the 's
Only pronouns actually change entirely for another case, up to three cases. For example:
*Subject - I
*Object - me
*Genitive - my
I think Swedish uses a similar case system, but German has four cases, and Russian actually has seven(I think, or was it eight?) Old English had five cases. --'''[[User:OlykoekSlayer|OlykoekSlayer]]''' 08:44, 22 June 2012 (EST)

In reality Russian has six cases but it has some vocative forms left and some locative prepositionals but they don't count as specific cases, rather as irregularities. [[File:PMOB.png|25px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 09:45, 22 June 2012 (EST)

What will the eight noun cases be?

[[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 03:54, 23 June 2012 (EST)

Why eight? I propose:
#Nominative
#Accusative
#Genitive
#Dative
#Ablative
#Allative
#Locative

[[File:PMOB.png|25px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 07:15, 23 June 2012 (EST)

Here's my eight then:
#Nominative
#Accusative
#Genitive
#Dative
#Instrumental
#Ablative
#Benefactive
#Locative
--'''[[User:OlykoekSlayer|OlykoekSlayer]]''' 15:53, 23 June 2012 (EST)

Hi again, I'm back now! I'll jump right in - accusative alignment is alright for me, and regarding the cases, I'd like fewer, but it '''is''' an agglutinative language, I suppose. My money's on Olykoek's eight, because they are identical to many of my inventories of cases. --[[File:Waahlis.png|40px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 19:06, 23 June 2012 (EST)

If we're doing Turkic mine are from [[wikipedia:Tuvan language|Tuvan]]. But how about:

#Nominative
#Accusative
#Genitive
#Dative
#Instrumental
#Ablative
#Allative
#Locative

[[File:PMOB.png|25px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 19:10, 23 June 2012 (EST)

Works for me. Benefective's a bit unnatural, ''supongo''. --[[File:Waahlis.png|40px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 19:12, 23 June 2012 (EST)

How will the words change for the different noun cases?

[[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 03:51, 24 June 2012 (EST)
====Aspect and Tense====
I also propose we use the Turkish tense suffixes:
*Definite Past tense: -di/-ti, -dı/-tı, -du/-tu, -dü/-tü
*Indefinite Past tense: -miş, -mış, -muş, -müş
*(Continuous) Present tense: -(i)yor, -(ı)yor, -(u)yor, -(ü)yor, -yor
*Simple Present tense: -r, -ar, er, -ir, -ır, -ur, ür
*Future tense: -ecek/-yecek, -acak/-yacak
I don't think we have all those sounds but we could make it fit.

[[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 06:55, 24 June 2012 (EST)

I have a counter-proposal but I'll put it up tomorrow. [[File:PMOB.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 07:22, 24 June 2012 (EST)

Okay. -CL

I think that we should have two aspects (the standard imperfective/perfective) and three simple tenses (i.e. past/present/future). Possibly with an habitual aspect too (so three in total). [[File:PMOB.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 20:31, 24 June 2012 (EST)

====Cases part II====
I am a fan of the habitual aspect, but I shall be blunt with the allative case, I find it dumb to use, have we the dative case.(Whilst no current case encompasses the use of the benefactive, like the dative case does for German) --'''[[User:OlykoekSlayer|OlykoekSlayer]]''' 05:59, 25 June 2012 (EST)

What does everyone else think of having three aspects? Olykoek, allative is (a locative case) for physical movement and not giving or just generic indirect object. I find it quite useful and Tuvan (a Turkic language) has all three (dative, ablative and allative - in fact it has two allative cases). I find it odd having ablative but no allative. Whilst I don't dislike the benefactive I think that the dative covers it fine. [[File:PMOB.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 06:09, 25 June 2012 (EST)

MOB, I would like to add that Finnish does not restrict the usage of the allative case to simply movement, but usurps parts of the benefactive functions as well. I like all three aspects, especially the perfectve/imperfective distinction. --[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 06:35, 25 June 2012 (EST)

Well I suppose if the dative case covers benefactive use as well as "generic indirect object" then we should definitely use the allative case for finer distinction. --'''[[User:OlykoekSlayer|OlykoekSlayer]]''' 06:43, 25 June 2012 (EST)

Lets all vote:

#which cases should we have
##Nominative?
##Accusative?
##Genitive?
##Dative?
##Instrumental?
##Ablative?
##Allative?
##Locative?
#should we have three aspects?
#should we have only three simple tenses?
Please vote!

[[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 07:08, 25 June 2012 (EST)

I think we're all agreed on the three aspects aren't we? And if we have three aspects it makes sense to have a simple set of tenses. I have listed my preferred cases. [[File:PMOB.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 07:18, 25 June 2012 (EST)

''I have sundered the table to another section for quick accesses(above)'' --'''[[User:OlykoekSlayer|OlykoekSlayer]]''' 09:38, 28 June 2012 (EST)

Please insert your votes on the subject - for clarity. --[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 08:48, 25 June 2012 (EST)

Before I vote, I'd like to know what exactly MOB means by "generic indirect object" for the dative, because other than the "giving" function, it seems to me that dative basically is motion to i. e. allative? --'''[[User:OlykoekSlayer|OlykoekSlayer]]''' 10:10, 25 June 2012 (EST)

By "generic indirect object" I mean using for a purely grammatical purpose rather than a more semantic one (i.e. I gave him a present). [[File:PMOB.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 18:45, 25 June 2012 (EST)

Added genders to the voting form.

[[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 02:46, 26 June 2012 (EST)
====Natural Gender====
Are the current genders masculine and feminine or the natural equivalents? [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 03:35, 26 June 2012 (EST)

I think masculine and feminine, but I don't really get the question.

[[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 04:47, 26 June 2012 (EST)

It was whether the genders applied only to organisms of male and female sex, called "natural" gender. But you've indirectly answered it! --[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 05:12, 26 June 2012 (EST)

Okay, then I answered right!

[[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 05:28, 26 June 2012 (EST)

P.S. please vote

Sorry, forgot! :P --[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 06:32, 26 June 2012 (EST)

We just need Olykoek to vote on if we should have past tense and if we should have the gender of "vegetable", then I can put the data on the offical page.

[[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 06:42, 26 June 2012 (EST)

I believe it is settled. --'''[[User:OlykoekSlayer|OlykoekSlayer]]''' 08:43, 26 June 2012 (EST)
====Word Order====
Can we agree to have the word order SOV? (the word order of turkish)

[[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 01:03, 27 June 2012 (EST)

I will agree to that. [[File:PMOB.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 04:31, 27 June 2012 (EST)

I'm of the Switzerland opinion on word order. --'''[[User:OlykoekSlayer|OlykoekSlayer]]''' 05:41, 27 June 2012 (EST)

#What do you mean by "I'm of the Switzerland opinion on word order"?
#What will be are suffixes/prefixes/infixes for... well, everthing?
#Can I archive this?
[[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 06:53, 27 June 2012 (EST)

#Switzerland are neutral all the time.
#We can decide that soon.
#Not yet, but once we've finished on verbal basics.
:[[File:PMOB.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 07:30, 27 June 2012 (EST)

Seems I'm going all Soviet in the voting then. I think it's beginning to look a bit too Turkic. [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 08:11, 27 June 2012 (EST)

I thought we were making a Turkic-type language? [[File:PMOB.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 08:28, 27 June 2012 (EST)

I shall rephrase: It is somewhat like copying, if we don't change some vital parts? I prefer look-alike languages to be exactly that: Look-alikes. The outside's similar, the inside's different. --[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 08:31, 27 June 2012 (EST)
====Trigraphs====
This is off topic, but I really hate having three Latin characters representing one IPA sound, (like tsy and dzy) so I'm proposing something like c for /ɕ/ and maybe x for /ʑ/. That would mean tc for /tɕ/ and dx for /dʑ/. :)

[[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 09:52, 27 June 2012 (EST)

The word that I believe you're looking for is trigraphs; I am also not a fan of them. --'''[[User:OlykoekSlayer|OlykoekSlayer]]''' 10:40, 27 June 2012 (EST)

Aww, I like our ones. The only other option I would propose is changing /t͡s/ to "'''c'''" and then changing /t͡ɕ/ to "'''cy'''". [[File:PMOB.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 18:02, 27 June 2012 (EST)

And Waahlis, I know what you mean but we haven't really started with the detailed stuff. [[File:PMOB.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 18:05, 27 June 2012 (EST)

Concerning the trigraphs, I think they add character, since it is a feature common to many natural languages. But I would be okay with "'''c'''" and "'''cy'''" as well. Concerning the Turkishness, I think that such vital parts as word order could do with some change. But we will see, nothing's set in stone. [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 20:04, 27 June 2012 (EST)

I think they do too, but having "'''c(y)'''" is a compromise. Exactly! And word order is often very flexible anyway (especially with cases). [[File:PMOB.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 21:34, 27 June 2012 (EST)

Good for me, except what about dzy? Maybe J for /dz/ and JY for /dʑ/?

[[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 02:00, 28 June 2012 (EST)

If we're going down that street, that'd be the best suggestion. --[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 02:03, 28 June 2012 (EST)

Is that a yes or no?

[[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 02:14, 28 June 2012 (EST)

It is a yes, but I want to hear Olykoeks opinion on trigraphs first. [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 02:22, 28 June 2012 (EST)

I don't really like using "'''j'''" for /dz/ but if you and Olykoek vehemently protests against any trigraphs then I will fold. But one trigraph really is nothing (and it probably won't come up often). [[File:PMOB.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 04:31, 28 June 2012 (EST)

I can with great confidence say that I doubt I've done anything "vehemently" in my whole life! :/ --[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 04:40, 28 June 2012 (EST)

I don't really mind either way on trigraphs, but I am with MOB in that I don't like the idea of j for /dz/ :) --'''[[User:OlykoekSlayer|OlykoekSlayer]]''' 07:42, 28 June 2012 (EST)

Then I vote for trigraphs! That makes 2 For, 1 Neutral and 1 Against. --[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 07:52, 28 June 2012 (EST)

I'm against.

[[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 09:49, 28 June 2012 (EST)

Isn't MOB for the trigraphs? --[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 18:01, 28 June 2012 (EST)

I am for the trigraphs and so have changed it. [[File:PMOB.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 03:19, 29 June 2012 (EST)

Meh. -CL
====Type====
I added these titles so we can access different parts of the conversation more quickly from the contents bar at the top. Anyway, what's our language's ''type''? Isolating, agglutinative, fusional, or what? Personally I am most familiar with fusional, but I like the idea of agglutinative, and isolating sounds like a pain in the arse to me :p --'''[[User:OlykoekSlayer|OlykoekSlayer]]''' 09:15, 29 June 2012 (EST)

What... is type exactly? I looked this up, and found nothing. :/

[[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 09:24, 29 June 2012 (EST)

Well Zelos uses it on the template to determine whether the language is isolating, agglutinative, or fusional(and I think there was another type). It has mostly to do with morphemes, so an isolating language will use basically no morphemes to determine a word. For example, instead of English "jumped", you would have to say "did jump" because there is no morpheme to attach at the end of the word to define it as past tense. Agglutinative is where morphemes are stacked on a word to mean multiple things(I think Russian does such). Whilst fusional languages have morphemes that can convey what multiple morphemes can, as in English "jumps", the -s conveys both present tense, third person, and singular(German is a highly fusional la--[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 05:23, 30 June 2012 (EST)nguage). --'''[[User:OlykoekSlayer|OlykoekSlayer]]''' 11:28, 29 June 2012 (EST)

Russian is heavily fusional like most IE languages, english being among the least ones but still being fusional. The other type you are looking for is polysynthetic in which entire sentences is crammed into a single word. a word like "digminos" (made it up on the spot) can mean something along the lines of "I came there to give it to her" [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 14:39, 29 June 2012 (EST)

If you want to look it up, see here - in proper terms it's called [[w:Morphological typology|morphological typology]]. Good initiative on the headers, by the way. --[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 17:59, 29 June 2012 (EST)

Turkish (the standard) and Quechua (a favourite of mine) are examples of agglutinative language (or as my friend calls them "Lego-brick languages"). Russian is indeed fusional, as are all Balto-Slavic languages. [[File:PMOB.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 17:55, 29 June 2012 (EST)

I think you can say IE languages because, as much as english has "degenerated", all IE languages are fusional to higher or lower degree [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 17:57, 29 June 2012 (EST)

Indeed, generalisation at it's peak! --[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 17:59, 29 June 2012 (EST)

What type are we then?

[[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 04:26, 30 June 2012 (EST)

Most plausibly a fusional language, considering the cases. But if we are going to have a lot of other affixes, it might get agglutinative. --[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 05:23, 30 June 2012 (EST)

Do we want to have it fusional? Or do we want to have it agglutinative?

[[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 05:58, 2 July 2012 (EST)

We can just see what it turns out to be. There's no point in forcing it to be one or the other. [[File:PMOB.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 06:02, 2 July 2012 (EST)

Are we going to do anything or just sit here?

[[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 04:28, 7 July 2012 (EST)

You'll have to excuse me, but I've been out on the sea without internet, and have therefore not been able to edit. Other than that, this week has experienced quite the turmoil, I reckon. Concerning the type, it is not something that needs to be decided, it will develop naturally. [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 04:40, 7 July 2012 (EST)

==Name==
May I suggest changing it to mayeb Commlang? The additional M will make it more easily distinguishable from "conlang" [[File:Zelos.png|25px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 18:05, 13 June 2012 (EST)
[[Category:Forum]]

I think one M is fine, plus it's only a temporary name. [[File:PMOB.png|25px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán|ontā́ bán]]''' 18:13, 13 June 2012 (EST)

==Old Turkic==
If we are taking inspiration from Turkic languages it might be worth people finding a paper called "A Grammar of Old Turkic" by Marcel Erdale and Leiden Brill. I got it for free from somewhere but I'm not sure if I'm allowed to share it freely. [[File:PMOB.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 18:42, 21 June 2012 (EST)

I looked it up, and you have to buy it. :/

[[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 04:30, 30 June 2012 (EST)

I don't know where I got it from but I definitely didn't pay for it. I might have found it on JSTOR but it's a brilliant PDF. [[File:PMOB.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 20:33, 1 July 2012 (EST)

In fact I got it from here: http://altaica.ru/LIBRARY/turks/Erdal_OTG.pdf [[File:PMOB.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 06:06, 2 July 2012 (EST)

Forum:Comlang

2012-11-14T20:45:51Z

Conlang: Created page with "{{pageheader | file= Spoken.png | filesize= 100 | title1 = Comlang | title2 = This is the comlang's dedicated forum. }} {{Archive|2}} ==Grammar== Gender markings... Sugge..."

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==Grammar==

Gender markings... Suggestions? [[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 10:22, 20 September 2012 (EST)

Yes, yes, soon! --[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 01:10, 21 September 2012 (EST)

I think it's okay to start now! :)
 [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 11:20, 24 September 2012 (EST)

==Final decisions==
Final desisions? [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 06:20, 19 September 2012 (EST)

Use the inventory above and the mutations suggested by Waahlis. [[File:PMOB.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 06:22, 19 September 2012 (EST)

Okay, just a couple of things:
#Can I archive this?
#What is the final on the case marking?
#Will anyone say a syllable pattern suggestion(s)?!?
#Here is a case marking suggestion:
:{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" {{bluetab}} style="text-align:center;"
! Idea→
! scope="col"| Change First Vowel
! scope="col"| Add Suffix
! scope="col"| Add Prefix
|-
!Nominative
| --
| --
| --
|-
!Accusative
| Chain shift*
| --
| --
|-
!Genitive
| --
| set of suffixes(see the table "suffixes")
| --
|-
!Dative
| Chain shift
| --
| Some nifty prefix "A"
|-
!Instrumental
| --
| --
| Some nifty prefix "B"
|-
!Ablative
| Length shift**
| --
| Some nifty prefix "B"
|-
!Allative
| Length shift
| --
| Some nifty prefix "A"
|-
!Locative
| Length shift
| --
| --
|}
:<nowiki>*</nowiki> A vowel shift
:<nowiki>**</nowiki> Vowel length shift(like a to á, ö to ő, ı and u to ú, and o(/ɔ/) to o(/oː/))
:{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" {{bluetab}} style="width: 780px; text-align:center"
! colspan="6"| Suffix table Personal possessives of ''bok'' - "house"
|-
! colspan="2"| 1st
! colspan="2"| 2nd
! colspan="2"| 3rd
|-
! ''sg''
! ''pl''
! ''sg''
! ''pl''
! ''sg''
! ''pl''
|-
| ''bökım''
| ''bökımız''
| ''bökın''
| ''bökınız''
| ''böglı''
| ''boglerı''
|-
|/bø̞kim/
|/bø̞kimiz/
|/bø̞kin/
|/bø̞kiniz/
|/bø̞gli/
|/bɔglɛri/
|-
| my house
| our house
| your house
| your house
| his/her/its house
| their house
|}
 [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 11:34, 19 September 2012 (EST)

I will come with a concrete suggestion for the case marking in a minute. And yes you may archive all of the discussion but the "Final decisions"-section! [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 18:09, 19 September 2012 (EST)

{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" {{bluetab}} style="text-align:center;"
! colspan="4"| Case marking of the word ''gyum'' - mouth
|-
! Suggestion →
! scope="col"| Change First Vowel
! scope="col"| Add Suffix
! scope="col"| Add Prefix
|-
!Nominative
|colspan="3"| ''gyum''
|-
!Accusative
|
|
| ''agyum''
|-
!Genitive
|
|''gyümin''
|
|-
!Dative
|
|
| ''dugyum''
|-
!Instrumental
| ''gyummed''
|
|
|-
!Ablative
| colspan="2"|''gyúmu''
|
|-
!Allative
|colspan="3"| ''agyúmu''
|-
!Locative
|
|''gyümil''
|
|}

Okay, to clarify:
*The nominative remains unmarked, as in most accusative languages.
*The accusative is marked with a prefix, with a slight nod towards J.R.R. Tolkien and his book.
*The genitive is distinct from the possessive markers, since this case marks origin and relation, no possession. It is marked with the suffix ⟨-in⟩ which causes i-umlaut on the /ʊ/, making it a /y/.
*Datives are formed through the prefix ⟨dV-⟩ where "V" is the following vowel, in this case /ʊ/.
*Instrumentals are formed through the suffix ⟨-med⟩.
*The ablative is interesting, and it is formed through the suffixation of a sole ⟨-u⟩. This open coda does however lengthen the preceding vowel, from ⟨u⟩ /ʊ/ to ⟨ú⟩ /uː/.
*The allative makes the same suffixation as the ablative, including the vowel lenghtening, and prefixes the accusative ⟨a-⟩.
*Locatives are formed through the ⟨-il⟩ suffix, and causes i-umlaut on the preceding vowel.

Those are my suggestions. Opinions? [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 01:10, 21 September 2012 (EST)

I like it, but lets say your suppose to lengthen a long vowel. Would you shorten it? [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 06:18, 21 September 2012 (EST)

You mean if the nominative form were something like ''gyúm''? [[File:PMOB.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 23:29, 21 September 2012 (EST)

Well, there are many alternatives - either we create a whole new declension for such words, or we could leave the word unaffected, or perhaps prohibit such syllable structures in the phonotactics. In my opinion, the vowels should only be geminated if they are followed by an open coda, thus making a lexeme like ''gyúm'' phonotactically impossible. [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 16:34, 22 September 2012 (EST)

Sure, everyone good with all of this as a final decision?
 ][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 11:19, 24 September 2012 (EST)

I'm fine with that :) [[File:PMOB.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 22:29, 24 September 2012 (EST)

Don't rush it if you will! We still need the plural declension! [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 23:34, 24 September 2012 (EST)

Okay, how about adding a -eC, where C is the first (or last) occurring constant? No?
 [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 11:09, 26 September 2012 (EST)

You mean like a partial reduplication of the last syllable...? Hmm, might work... Could get unstable, however. And ugly. What about suffixing ⟨-niz⟩ to the stem, before the case marking? That has analogies in the possessives table. Let me show you what I mean:

{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" {{bluetab}} style="text-align:center;"
! colspan="6"| Case marking of the word ''gyum'' - mouth
|-
! Suggestion →
! scope="col"| singular
! scope="col"| plural1
! scope="col"| plural2
! scope="col"| plural3
! scope="col"| plural4
|-
!Nominative
| ''gyum''
|''gyüminiz''
| ''gyüminiz''
| ''gyümiz''
| ''gyümiz''
|-
!Accusative
| ''agyum''
| ''agyüminiz''
| ''agyüminiz''
| ''agyümiz''
| ''agyümiz''
|-
!Genitive
|''gyümin''
|''gyüminizin''
|''gyümininiz''
|''gyüminiz''
|''gyümizin''
|-
!Dative
| ''dugyum''
| ''dugyüminiz''
| ''dugyüminiz''
| ''dugyümiz''
| ''dugyümiz''
|-
!Instrumental
| ''gyummed''
| ''gyüminizmed''
| ''gyümmediniz''
| ''gyümmediz''
| ''gyümizmed''
|-
!Ablative
|''gyúmu''
| ''gyüminízu''
| ''gyumüniz''
| ''gyumuz''
| ''gyumuz''
|-
!Allative
|''agyúmu''
|''agyüminízu''
|''agyumüniz''
| ''agyumuz''
| ''agyumuz''
|-
!Locative
|''gyümil''
|''gyüminizil''
|''gyümiliniz''
|''gyümiliz''
|''gyümizil''
|}

[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 04:10, 28 September 2012 (EST)

Before the case marking suffixes? I would prefer put it after, but I am fine with it. I, also, would like to shorten it to something like ⟨-(i)z⟩, but if it's looks too ugly, unnatural, etc. then I can live with ⟨-niz⟩. I'm really no expert :P
 [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 05:31, 29 September 2012 (EST)

I've added them! More opinions? [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 16:36, 29 September 2012 (EST)

I, personally like the last one because I don't think "mouth" needs to get as long as ''gyüminizmed''. Maybe we should have it before the case markings, kinda like you suggested. :/
 [[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 01:10, 1 October 2012 (EST)

<nowiki>*Wait*.... *Wait*.... *Wait*....</nowiki> Are you guys ever going to share your opinions? Come on!
 [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 11:10, 3 October 2012 (EST)

I'm back! Sorry, school has gotten in the way. :/

But it looks like you people never progressed... Let's get this language moving!

We'll vote on:
*Case marking ''FINAL''. We are ending this thing that went on forever.
*Syllable pattern opinion.
We said we were going to get this done, but we got merely nothing done.
 [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 00:57, 15 October 2012 (EST)

I am sorry, but I have had other matters to attend to, the Main page, Featured languages, templates, my own languages. MOB has had, I am citing, "an internet on the fritz". You need to be patient, comlangs go on for years. Concerning the plural case marking, I'll add a fourth column for your last suggestion! :) The syllable structure needs a bit more discussion, I believe. [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 01:42, 15 October 2012 (EST)

Okay, sorry for being impatient, but I just get frustrated when I come back after a month and a half and not a single comment at all, even what you just said never stated an opinion. I just don't want to say one comment per month, then it would take decades to finish this. And, if you may, state your opinion on case markings. I would prefer that there would be at least four comment per two weeks, that would make it more intrusting for me. You need to take about six minutes out of your week, three minutes per comment.
 [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 02:31, 15 October 2012 (EST)

Watch the tone, if you may, I don't think you're in position to comment on that, since you yourself have been gone for awhile. Now, I've added the last plural case marking. I am a bit split on number 3 and 4, I must say. Number 4 isn't as repetitive, but 3 simply looks better. [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 02:50, 15 October 2012 (EST)

I'm sorry for being rude, for I was trying exactly NOT that, I was just stating my frustration, ''after'' I asks twice for people opinion and no one responded, and I get your point of view, try to hear out mine. I wasn't trying to give you attitude, just an opinion. What really frustrates me is that I am always the one having to start up the conversations, but I really don't want to get in to this again. Thank you very much for opinion, I prefer 4 but let's see what the others say.
 [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 05:56, 15 October 2012 (EST)

As you hopefully understand; Nor was I attempting to be rude. And I do understand you, I really do. But then, every time you're in a group project, there'll be a driving force, and... the rest. Start leaving messages at their talk pages if you want to? [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 06:05, 15 October 2012 (EST)

I'm happy with the case endings, the only thing I would say is that yes, the words can get a bit long even with a one syllable root word so I would prefer to simply us "-iz". [[File:PMOB.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 00:03, 17 October 2012 (EST)

Which one do you prefer then? [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 01:54, 17 October 2012 (EST)

"-iz" [[File:PMOB.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 03:28, 17 October 2012 (EST)

"-iz" covers two alternative plural markings, 3 and 4. [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 04:11, 17 October 2012 (EST)

Oops, so it does! Number 4. [[File:PMOB.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 04:17, 17 October 2012 (EST)

So the final final final decision is 4?
 [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 21:45, 14 November 2012 (CET)

==To Do List==

Since I'm really the only one who gets people actually do thing, I want to make a to do list.

[[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 06:54, 7 July 2012 (EST)

# Discuss possible ways of case marking '''Done'''
# Discuss possible ways of gender marking
# Work on determiners, conjunctions, other key words?
# Work on ways of marking definiteness (shall we have articles?)
# Chill with some pronoun development
# Work on the writing system (runes)
# Create pseudo-historical roots of words, proto-language kind of schtuff
# Create core vocabulary for the lang
# Possibly make up some background(if we want to)
# Profit
Filled it in, feel free to change it --'''[[User:OlykoekSlayer|OlykoekSlayer]]''' 14:35, 14 July 2012 (EST)

Thanks for doing this :)

[[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 02:41, 15 July 2012 (EST)

Aww, my ??? profit meme was ruined :p anyway, no problem, I'll begin on the next section above. --'''[[User:OlykoekSlayer|OlykoekSlayer]]''' 09:39, 15 July 2012 (EST)

(Keeping this for reference)

==Writing System==

I've just ran into the problem of our writing system, runes. If we really want runes to work, we need to make symbols. If you don't care, I'm studying natural scripts, so I could find a fit.

[[File:CircleConlang.jpg|40px]][[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 01:06, 20 July 2012 (EST)

Well, we could make our own runeset, or use the Elder Futhark, or any of its descendants. That or we could use those runesets that MOB pointed out. Whatever happened to him anyway? --'''[[User:OlykoekSlayer|OlykoekSlayer]]''' 05:47, 20 July 2012 (EST)

We decided on normal runes, I have a list of Unicode rune characters below in pdf form.

[http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U16A0.pdf List Here]

[[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 07:18, 20 July 2012 (EST)

I'm here! My laptop broke so I've not had one for ages :( [[File:PMOB.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]'''
[[Category:Forum]]

If provided with the phonotactic set, I might be in a position to make something. [[User:Messenger|Ãngelos]] -- [[User_Talk:Messenger|Моꙗ́ Бєсѣ́да]] 23:25, 30 September 2012 (EST)

Phonotactics have not been decided upon yet. If you have suggestions you're welcome to make a section on the matter. --[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 23:44, 30 September 2012 (EST)

Thank you, Waahlis.

==Phonotactic Set==
I believe we need a set of rules for sound positioning. I shall suggest:

:(A)(S)V(C)

Here, I have used the tokens of "A", "S", "V" and "C"; "A" is the placeholder for sonorant consonants, "S" is the placehold for obstruent consonants, "V" is the placeholder for all vowels carrying along length, "C" is the placeholder for consonants in general. [[User:Messenger|Ãngelos]] -- [[User_Talk:Messenger|Моꙗ́ Бєсѣ́да]] 23:52, 30 September 2012 (EST)

Seems like a decent proposal to me. Not that it matters, but why not use "S" for sonorant and "O" for obstruent or is this a convention I'm not aware of? [[File:PMOB.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:PMOB|Pá mamūnám]] [[User:PMOB|ontā́ bán]]''' 01:49, 1 October 2012 (EST)

Sounds good to me! Anyone dislike/disapprove it?
 [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 11:10, 3 October 2012 (EST)

User talk:Waahlis

2012-11-14T20:34:23Z

Conlang: /* Hey! */

{{Welcome}}

Default message aside, thanks for dropping by! There is no intrusion, only welcoming! ;) - [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 23:55, 4 November 2012 (CET)

== Design ==

I always liked the blue-ish button theme. They are quite awesome.

On another note, I like the idea embodied in your draft for a new logo, although I can't say I really approve of the Castellar font. It feels a tad out of place. I appreciate the Latinate origin of the word and the connection with the font family of Roman style letters but I don't know. Castellar and Trajan don't feel particularly welcoming to me. Perhaps something more modern but still classy? Adobe Caslon Pro is quite similar to Castellar in its capital shapes and conveys class without straying into dusty old books territory… hmm
besides that, I think it's quite classy without being cheesy (like the current one, lol) - [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 22:06, 8 November 2012 (CET)

[[File:A_few_fonts.png|500px]]

Hm, it seems it changed the three first bottom lowercase examples to the same font. Ah, sigh.
- [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 22:17, 8 November 2012 (CET)

Oh dear! Couldn't find a bigger one could you?

I actually suspected you wouldn't, I suppose that's obvious from your personality. I am not sure about the current one though... My aesthetic senses itch when I see it...
But I'm sure I'll come up with something that you'd prefer!

Éstas, ¿qué te parecen: [[:File:Linguifex 2.0.png]] y [[:File:Linguifex 3.0.png]]?

[[User:Waahlis|Waahlis]] ([[User talk:Waahlis|talk]]) 22:31, 8 November 2012 (CET)

Oh! Qué decisión más difícil. Tertia versio tua oculos meos delectat. Tranquilitassecuritasque incarnat, inquit Chrysophylax. Placetne tibi ista "Castellar"? Fortasse tibi placebit altera versio cum capitalibus? Si Caslon tibi displicet alteram scripturam invenire possumus.

- [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 22:52, 8 November 2012 (CET)

: So I temporarily switched the site logo to the th ird one you suggested to see how it felt with the site layout. I think it looks ''lagom snyggt''. Vad tycks? - [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 23:02, 8 November 2012 (CET)

Me alegra que si.Non mihi placet valde multum, malo tertia versio, et non credo alteram versionem cum capitalibus mihi placeam. Ignosce linguae meae...

Μου αρέσει, αγκαλά είναι άσημι, εγώ θέλω κάτι πολύ... framträdande. --[[User:Waahlis|Waahlis]] ([[User talk:Waahlis|talk]]) 16:27, 9 November 2012 (CET)

:: Mégan semeiophoron hemeteron theleis; Hmm... fortasse tibi litterae factae cum coloribus in nomine nostro placebit? sý ʿara tó theleis; egō ʿellenika tēn glōssan oʾu fēmi :( - [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 21:47, 9 November 2012 (CET)

::: Aha! '''''ʿeureka!''''' What about a more framträdande förstasida? Det vill säga, Main_Page skulle kunna ha något mer imponerande som en banner. You know, something that says awesomeness and is visually attention-grabbing. I'd personally prefer it on the first page than always drawing your attention like the irk…wikia-logo. What do you think of this? - [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 21:50, 9 November 2012 (CET)

Oooh, that's a very archaic Greek. I'll avoid writing it then. Colours.... Well, not exactly to recommend in a logo... And yes of course! You wouldn't know because you can't read minds, but I am actually sketching on a front page right now, and yes, it'll draw attention! And by the way... 08? Allvarligt talat? Stön... ;P --[[User:Waahlis|Waahlis]] ([[User talk:Waahlis|talk]]) 00:19, 10 November 2012 (CET)

:Well, the only Greek I've ever taken is Ancient Greek (which I'm in the process of commencing to learn. My grasp of it is proto-proto-proto-existent.) I must admit, I'm not a very successful Roman aristocrat, what with my limited command of the ''noblest of tongues''. Thus, I propose to temporarily abandon the old sermones for some English! As we've seem to have done already.
:''Hehehehe''. True, colours tend to look a bit nasty in logos. I think the logo looks quite nice with the recently changed skin though. What do you think? Also, I've started fixing up Dhannuá here, seeing as its one of the most developed languages I have on paper (technically Word/PDF documents scattered over my harddrives) but yes, irrelevant rambling aside, it's good to see some ''corpus'' developing. Your Attian has me most intrigued!
:On another note, have you heard anything from anyone on the Wikkii-wiki? Nothing against your company (it's most enjoyable! :D) but it sure does feel a little empty. That, and I'd be elated if more people actually started using this, because if there's one thing I like almost as much as conlanging itself, it's reading about well-thought out conlangs! /sad phylax.
: Vadan denna antipati mot caput nationis? ;)
: - [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 02:11, 10 November 2012 (CET)

The only Greek I have extensively studied is Modern. Other, archaic forms were sort of included... At least it is better than my Latin, which I can only read properly. Excellent, you've switched to Vector as well? Or have you somehow standardised it, because if you have, my preferences tell the sote to override any other skin... And you know I like Dhannuá! It is very aesthetic, and very faithful to its Indo-European heritage! Why thank you!

Well, we conjecture that the hurricane Sandy is to blame for the down-time, as it seems to have coincided fairly well with the date Wikkii went down. I don't really have the contact info on anyone on wikkii except the admins, and MOB has been alerted where this wiki is. :D He'll probably come join us!

Let's just say I prefer the framsida before the baksida... ;P Will you have more time to edit today? [[User:Waahlis|Waahlis]] ([[User talk:Waahlis|talk]]) 07:46, 10 November 2012 (CET)
:Ah, I see! And yes, vector is the new standard until someone overrides it. Thanks for the praise. ^^. And ah, sadness. And, I might later, much later today. I have to attend certain events tonight… but bis bald! - [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 17:36, 10 November 2012 (CET)

==Imports==
How are you importing stuff? Google cache? '''[[User:PMOB|Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán]]''' 19:04, 10 November 2012 (CET)

Actually, I don't think code's possible to import by Google cache... :/ I just used wikia for the documentation templates. For Nāmic as well (which made it slightly unupdated). We could give it a try at the caches though. [[User:Waahlis|Waahlis]] ([[User talk:Waahlis|talk]]) 19:17, 10 November 2012 (CET)

No, the source code is messed up but it's still better than nothing. I don't think anything significant will have been lost but anything that is is still annoying. '''[[User:PMOB|Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán]]''' 19:40, 10 November 2012 (CET)

I suppose. I'm sure the site will get back to its usual self eventually, but I do find this site better, more reliable. --[[User:Waahlis|Waahlis]] ([[User talk:Waahlis|talk]]) 19:56, 10 November 2012 (CET)

I read through some comments online and people that have contacted Wikkii have had no response - but I hope you're right. I don't know how he would know but Rostov said the data aren't lost. '''[[User:PMOB|Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán]]''' 20:07, 10 November 2012 (CET)

I did that as well, on Facebook. I am fairly sure they wouldn't just shut down it all. Well, he wouldn't. There's a strong indication though, that loosing the data when the server collapses seems to be rather uncommon. Granted that the server comes back online, that is... [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 20:16, 10 November 2012 (CET)

== Chromaesthetics ==

Purple. Blue. Orange.

Also, on another note, are we doing away with the "Create a language"-box on the main page? - [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 03:22, 11 November 2012 (CET)

Would you mind getting a blue administrator sphere then? :D Of course not, as I said: a '''very''' preliminary draught of a Main page.

By the way, would you mind not answering my messages to you on my talk page? :P It gets rather cluttered, I think! [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 12:05, 11 November 2012 (CET)

: Apologies, I should've continued the conversation on my own talk page per convention. I understand the cluttered argument fully :P… I get confused when I haven't slept well. A blue administrator sphere would be cool. Is purple out of the question though? - [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 20:36, 11 November 2012 (CET)

Of course, I understand! Hehe, well, I think that if EmperorZelos'd come back, he'd have a lot stronger feelings about that colour than you... :P Your choice though! Nevertheless, the code for a signature like the one administrators' had on Wikkii is: <nowiki>[[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]]''' </nowiki> Which looks like this: [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]]'''
 --[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 20:44, 11 November 2012 (CET)

:Ah. I see. What with that emperor title. Hmpf... If he does not object to sharing the colour (after all: ''In omnio anno rei publicae duo consules fuerunt, qui in toga picta vestiebantur'') I'd opt for purple myself. Purple is the colour of magistrates after all. If he would be completely averse to sharing then… we shall have that discussion when/if it comes. ;) But hey, thanks for awesoming up the wiki! That admin symbol is quite impressive too. Thanks for it :)
:Btw, I saw you added some links to en.wiki…, so I added some shtuff to the db. '''''w:''''' should work for interwiki linking. - [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 21:05, 11 November 2012 (CET)

I don't know whence the name, actually... :/ ''Sí, sí, supongo que si.'' Let's just say that he's not very big on sharing... I can't think of any awesoming so far...! I've imported one or three templates, categorised a bit. But I do think it'd be fun should you use the admin symbol! It gives us a bit of consitency! :D [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 22:36, 11 November 2012 (CET)

== Hey, YOU! ==

Hi :3 Just imported loads of stuff [[User:EmperorZelos|EmperorZelos]] ([[User talk:EmperorZelos|talk]]) 17:49, 12 November 2012 (CET)

Hi there! Välkommen! :D Excellent, I'll give you a hand. Don't forget to consult the domain owner! --[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 19:42, 12 November 2012 (CET)

THere is alot of work to be done but of course we'll talk to the guy :P He is an admin aswell now and got a voice. [[User:EmperorZelos|[[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Zelos]]''']] ([[User talk:EmperorZelos|talk]]) 20:05, 12 November 2012 (CET)

and my signature doesnt work! [[User:EmperorZelos|[[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]]&nbsp;'''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''']] ([[User talk:EmperorZelos|talk]]) 20:07, 12 November 2012 (CET)

You're signature's messed up... :/ Well, I'll walk around change some details, content and organise the naming of the templates (new project of mine). I'll work on a better Main page as well. Also, the Random word feature doesn't work. --[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 20:09, 12 November 2012 (CET)

how do I fix the signature? I tried yours and my old one, fucking fails!

And good, and it doesnt because he hasn't installed some basic features. once he does it should work [[User:EmperorZelos|'''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''']] ([[User talk:EmperorZelos|talk]]) 20:10, 12 November 2012 (CET)

Finally! [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 20:12, 12 November 2012 (CET)

Ehm, I left a piece of code on Billy's talk page, which he used? Are you sure you've got the "wikitext" square checked? [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 20:13, 12 November 2012 (CET)

I got it resolved now.

we'll get around to it, we need new front page, new icon, new everything.

== Poetry ==

Just thought you ought to know that your [http://waahlis.deviantart.com/#/d5jkmvg For a Girl in the Messinese language] inspired me to translate a couple of poems into Zamoran a week or so ago :P '''[[User:PMOB|Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán]]''' 22:55, 12 November 2012 (CET)

Why thank you! I'm glad people like that one! :) [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 08:00, 13 November 2012 (CET)

== New Extensions ==

The gnomes have added [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Slideshow_(Javascript) Slideshow]. I seem to recall you using it somewhere, so I figured you'd appreciate it [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]]''' 00:25, 13 November 2012 (CET)
A proper forum (see [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikiForum Extension:WikiForum]) is coming. [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]]''' 00:25, 13 November 2012 (CET)

This is going to kick ass [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 08:02, 13 November 2012 (CET)

"Is it a plain? No. Is it a bird? No. Is it Batman? No. - '''It's the Extender!'''"
"Extenders - on dvd the 27th of November."
And oh yes, Zelos, it will! :D [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 08:03, 13 November 2012 (CET)

I have already suggested additional extensions that can and will be useful to us, one is MP3 playing so we can have audio recordings :D [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 08:25, 13 November 2012 (CET)

== Summons ==

{{User:Chrysophylax/tools/summon|User_talk:EmperorZelos#Userboxes|Chrysophylax}}

== Hey! ==

Hey Waahlis! :P I saw your message and came over. How has it been? I've been caught up in school, so I'll try to come here periodically. Anything I need to know? [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 21:38, 13 November 2012 (CET)

Hi CL! I'm glad you made it! It's been fine, not very much conlanging, though.. :P You? :) I don't think so... We're still trying to set the place up - I am currently organising the templates (which takes ages...) and I'm going to make a new Main page! Since you're good at coding, you could help Chysophylax and Zelos if you want? :) Other than that, just keep calm, fix your lang and be social! :D [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 22:30, 13 November 2012 (CET)

I'll see what I can do coding-wise; my codes are written a little strange. But here I can learn from professionals! I can also help with transferring comlang over; when you start, just message me.

If you want to I can help organize the templates with you; I'm kinda an organization freak. XD But on a serious note, I don't mind organizing stuff, so if you want me to help, just say so. I know it can get a bit boring. :) [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 21:09, 14 November 2012 (CET)

P.S. sorry if I use ":P" too much; I try to limit myself a lot on doing it. If I didn't, you'd see it a lot more. :P

Well, I'm not a coding angel either... I just pick things up and survive... :/ Well, right now, coding isn't that much of an issue, I believe. However, importing the comlang would be great, including if you could import the archives for it then! :D

On the organisation; yes, please I would like help! The others aren't much for that kind of thing, and I need all the help I can get! I'll fix a few rules for you to follow if you're interested! :D

And as you see, I've got no problem with smilies - I think they give informal texts a bit of nuance! ;) [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 21:19, 14 November 2012 (CET)

I'm interested in organizing. Not to be demanding, but, I would the rules of what I can or can't do and a list of to do's as soon as you can get around to writing them; I'm bored out of my mind right now. :P Thanks for letting me help. X) [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 21:34, 14 November 2012 (CET)

== Thoughts ==

Seeing as you're the apparent leading in-house scholar on Indo-European languages I'd like to ask you for some thoughts regarding this most anciente and wickede variant of Classical Dhannuá.

:{|
|colspan=21|''Bhōzōiōm Lūdhas peri sar sa dānaizā dhānnwa ta bhōzānd sann i āuzir nissīr sei ta izd sa aliūzella swēsor dhānnwar Lūsanar.'' ||
|-
|Bhōz-ō-iōm||Lūdhas||peri||sa-r||sa||dānaiz-ā||dhānnwa||ta||bhōz-ānd||sa-nn||i||āuz-ir||niss-īr||sei||ta||izd||sa||aliūzell-a||swēsor||dhānnw-ar||Lūsan-ar||
|-
|speak-{{sc|1sg-1sg.encl}}||Lūdhas||about||she-{{sc|gen|}}||she||dānair-{{sc|gen.pl}}||tongue||subclause.{{sc|prt}}||speak-{{sc|3pl}}||she-{{sc|acc}}||{{sc|loc.prep}}||eastern-{{sc|gen.pl}}||isle-{{sc|gen.pl}}||they||subclause.{{sc|prt}}||be.{{sc|3sg.pres}}||she||another-{{sc|fem.nom}}||sister||tongue-{{sc|gen.sg}}||Lūsan-{{sc|gen.sg}}||
|-
|colspan=21|''Lannarīzānd sēseid R rōd Z ca aliūzella aljūza sei.''||
|-
|Lannarīzānd||sē-seid||R||rōd||Z||ca||aliūzell-a||aljūz-a||sei||
|-
|twist-{{sc|ipfv.pst-3pl}}|| {{sc|refl.}}intensifier-they.{{sc|dat}}||R||for_purpose_of.{{sc|prep}}||Z||also||different-{{sc|neut.pl}}||thing{{sc|-neut.pl}}||they||
|}

The translation ends up something like: "'I Lúthais, say of that, that dánaizian tongue that they speak in the eastern isles, that it is another sister of the tongue of Lúsan. They have changed for themselves r for z and other strange things."

It's a non-rhotacised variant so to speak. Cf. Continental Silver-age Classical Dhannuá ''bhōzō'', '''bhōz'''– with Standard Dhannuá ''bhóran'', '''bhór'''-. [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]]''' 01:46, 14 November 2012 (CET)

Oh dear, where dd you get that from? :P Flattering, though!

Let's see... from ''Bhōzōiōm'' from *bʰeh₂, then ''peri'' from *peri... Why voice*h₁és(e)t(i) to ''izd''? Also, I suppose the "she" and "they" are feminine demonstratives? Maybe you could gloss that differently? Also, the ''Lannarīzānd'' is not that transparent to me...! Amazing language, truly! :D [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 20:39, 14 November 2012 (CET)

User talk:Chrysophylax

2012-11-14T20:26:18Z

Conlang: /* Hello */ new section

And welcome to my talk page! I Welcome you, who has come to my talk page! Everything is possible at my talk page! The only limit is your imagination!

== Hoppas jag inte tränger mig på.... ==

Hi Billy! :D I said I was going to stop by, and I do always keep my promises! :D [[User:Waahlis|Waahlis]] ([[User talk:Waahlis|talk]]) 18:09, 4 November 2012 (CET)

Oh dear, that's quick work! I will ask my fellow administrators how they feel about a move, and I'll let them contact you instead on this wiki.

By the way, I had a certain designer role at the old wiki, and we had a special theme - so would you mind telling met you'd think of these pictures and buttons? :)

[[File:Blank.png]] - Used for headers of certain categories, Linguifex-pages and conlangs. Administrator and policy buttons. I fill buttons like this one with a motif that suits its purpose.

[[:File:Whiteline.png]] - you can't see this one, because it's white. It is a background for page headers, which are at the top of the page with notices, titles or messages.

Finally, I've made a small draught for a new logo! Unless you want the current one! - [[:File:Linguifex 1.0.png]]

Cheers, and let's get this one rolling! :D [[User:Waahlis|Waahlis]] ([[User talk:Waahlis|talk]]) 21:53, 8 November 2012 (CET)

==Hello!==
Just wondering, where did you set this up and get the domain name from? :) [[User:Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán|Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán]] ([[User talk:Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán|talk]]) 12:42, 10 November 2012 (CET)

:I was already paying a webhosting fee for pretty much what amounted to my e-mail accounts and a small underdeveloped page with a few lines in Dhannua. So I had a lot of space and I thought, with wikkii down and wikia-awful ads/weird layout I figured I'd rather start something on my own, whose integrity and up-keep I myself could control. :P Then I spent some time considering names with -wiki until I figured linguifex was nicer (in my ears). I don't think it's a real latin word, but I modeled it on ars, artis + -fex (creator/agentative thing-y, -artisan) to get linguifex (artisan of languages/tongues) :P - [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 17:34, 10 November 2012 (CET)

Sounds like a good plan :) You're making me want to have my own wiki to play around with stuff and stop me from littering other wikis with half-arsed attempts at projects. '''[[User:PMOB|Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán]]''' 18:59, 10 November 2012 (CET)

== Today ==

Hi Billy!

A small update.

*MOB has created an account.
*I've imported the [[Template:Documentation]] and an array of cascading templates.
*The [[Template:Header]] has been imported.
*I've uploaded a lot of pictures, spheres, which I'd appreciate if you took a look at.
*In addition, or rather mostly, I've been working on a very preliminary draught of a section for the [[User:Waahlis/Main page|Main page]].

Sincerely, [[User:Waahlis|Waahlis]] ([[User talk:Waahlis|talk]]) 17:39, 10 November 2012 (CET)

Also, what's ye favourite colours? :D Name three, from the best to worst! --[[User:Waahlis|Waahlis]] ([[User talk:Waahlis|talk]]) 19:28, 10 November 2012 (CET)

== Infobox. Or something. ==

I haven't got a clue what you're getting at with that one... :/ [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 22:39, 11 November 2012 (CET)
:You'll see… In due time. Well, I'm trying to get at an en.wiki language infobox that can handle several language families, nested :P - [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 22:40, 11 November 2012 (CET)

Good with code are you? Excellent, I just survive due to my organisation obsessions. THAT's why this is bothering me! :P I'll have to rename the pages later on... Could you create a list on your user page which ones go together 'till then? :) [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 22:44, 11 November 2012 (CET)

:Not at all. I understand it, somewhat but writing my own wizardry, no. Just importing from [[w:Main Page|En.Wiki]] but d'accord. Sure, will do! [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] 22:47, 11 November 2012 (CET)

Hehe, me too! :p I think that would make it all easier. Don't forget to fill in the documentation, or chances are that I'll never understand ''mallarna''! :P [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 22:51, 11 November 2012 (CET)

Calm down a second on the import. What are you trying to do? It'd help a lot if I knew? Also, some things don't seem to function properoly. --[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 23:33, 11 November 2012 (CET)

: Yeah, there are a lot of mini-templates that are used in larger templates that are used in other templates. All to get the wiki-style infobox to work. I'm following the list on [http://www.etcwiki.org/wiki/Install_infobox ETCWiki] which contains guides to setting up things properly and yeah. Unfortunately, the guide recommends you start with the more complex templates first XD and then the ones that get the rest to work. Sigh.
* Template:Infobox/row view source — '''check'''
* Template:Tiw view source '''check'''
* Template:Tlf view source '''check'''
* Template:Tls view source '''check
* Template:Tlsp view source
* Template:Tlp view source
* Template:Tn view source
* Template:Tlx view source
* Template:Mbox Templates view source
* Template:Mbox templates/doc view source
* Template:Navbox view source
* Template:- view source
* Template:· view source
* Template:Tnull view source
* Template:Shortcut view source
* Template:High-risk view source
* Template:Main view source
* Template:Namespace detect view source '''check
* Template:Clr view source

[[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] 23:35, 11 November 2012 (CET)

So I understand. You don't think you should call it a day? I'm happy to do this tomorrow, since I have time then. It is fairly late, after all. [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 23:39, 11 November 2012 (CET)
::Is the template import somehow undesirable? :p am I doing it wrong? I don't actually mind doing it right now, since today I had the fortune of sleeping in (thus well-rested). Btw, ta en titt på [[User:Chrysophylax/Sandbox/Dhannu%C3%A1_II|Dhannuá infobox example]]. [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] 23:45, 11 November 2012 (CET)

== Yeah, don't do that again... :P ==

I've actually never seen the MediaWiki break! :D Can't say I liked it, but shit happens. :P ''¿Qué hiciste?'' [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 23:09, 11 November 2012 (CET)

:You hadn't? Glad to have enrichened your life with a new experience! I installed a new extension, set it up properly, added the required lines to the master config and theen I missed a teensy letter. I didn't see it until MediaWiki told me. Apologies. [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] 23:11, 11 November 2012 (CET)

Why thank you, I'm ever so glad! A truly enchanting event! Yes, I saw that MediaWiki didn't accept the "syntaxhighlight". I've got my nose everywhere I'm not supposed to! :3 Also, I'm glad you added the w: to interwiki, I was going mad because of that... On the old wiki we could edit the interwiki ourselves, so you shouln't have had to. [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 23:16, 11 November 2012 (CET)

:I'll install the Interwiki extension then, that permits admins to add new interwiki defines to the table without using MySQL. [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] 23:17, 11 November 2012 (CET)

Oh, no need! I survive just fine without it! However... Would you mind authorising the extension permitting personal .css? :3 [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 23:19, 11 November 2012 (CET)

: $wgAllowUserCss = true; [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] 23:28, 11 November 2012 (CET)

Eeexcellent! :D --[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 23:29, 11 November 2012 (CET)

== Hiya ==

I have joined aswell, Am I among the fortunate to be admin again? =) [[User:EmperorZelos|EmperorZelos]] ([[User talk:EmperorZelos|talk]]) 15:39, 12 November 2012 (CET)

== Danke ==

*Tackar
*Danke
*Gracias
*Thank you

[[User:EmperorZelos|EmperorZelos]] ([[User talk:EmperorZelos|talk]]) 17:19, 12 November 2012 (CET)

== WorldWideWeb Domination Plot ==

I suggest Waahlis get to do the front page, he is kick ass at it.

And MOB, he'll be the face of this operation :P

And I of course will help with Tempaltes and such

whats your speciality? =D [[User:EmperorZelos|EmperorZelos]] ([[User talk:EmperorZelos|talk]]) 17:20, 12 November 2012 (CET)

Also, do you have string functions, mathematical functions and such on this wiki yet? They will be required [[User:EmperorZelos|EmperorZelos]] ([[User talk:EmperorZelos|talk]]) 17:30, 12 November 2012 (CET)

:''I am the spider in the net.''
:''nókwts hesmi''.
:''ʿo phylax toũ khrȳsoũ eimi''.
:''Chrysophylax Dives.''
:Not sure, I'm quite calm, moderate, computer-knowing, language loving and a C# programmer.
:I can coordinate things if need be, but mostly, I'll go around helping users and making people feel comfortable. I'm like a Swiss army knife.
:We have a few string functions as far as I know. [http://linguifex.com/index.php?title=Special%3APrefixIndex&prefix=&namespace=10 templates list] [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]]''' 17:34, 12 November 2012 (CET)

That is not what I meant, I meant the wiki string functions like vardefine, var, if etc [[User:EmperorZelos|EmperorZelos]] ([[User talk:EmperorZelos|talk]]) 17:43, 12 November 2012 (CET)

== Wiki import ==

Would it be feasable for you to figure out how to import the "add word" function in translatiosn on wiktionary? [[User:EmperorZelos|EmperorZelos]] ([[User talk:EmperorZelos|talk]]) 18:22, 12 November 2012 (CET)

Hi again! I've tried out [[:File:Linguifex.png]] as a internal logo, to use in banners and in spheres. Potentially also as a favicon. Votre opinion, s'il vous plait! [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 21:16, 12 November 2012 (CET)

Currently a bit occupied Zelos, but I'll try. Also, nice work Waahlis! [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]]''' 21:34, 12 November 2012 (CET)

Thank you! I'll give it a bit more work though. Probably make it a bit more gray. --[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 21:38, 12 November 2012 (CET)

HEY!...take it cool man, none of us are in a hurry, if you try your best and get it done when it is feasable that is good enough for all of us! :D [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 21:44, 12 November 2012 (CET)

== Extensions ==
*http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:StringFunctions
*http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:VariablesExtension
*http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Loops
*http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LoopFunctions
*http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions

Those are a few extensions the wiki needs. [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 21:59, 12 November 2012 (CET)

<pre>

Extension:ParserFunctions is enabled.

Extension:Stringfunctions = deprecated; use Extension:ParserFunctions.

Extension:VariablesExtension = name deprecated; installing Extension:Variables.

Installing Loops.

Installing LoopFunctions.

Fatal error: Call to a member function addMessages() on a non-object in /storage/content/57/130757/linguifex.com/public_html/extensions/LoopFunctions/LoopFunctions.php on line 45

Extension LoopFunctions is incompatible with this release of MediaWiki, usage of deprecated non-existent $wgMessageCache. Per MediaWiki: ''$wgMessageCache | Removed in: 1.18.0| No longer used since r81027.''

Restored last known working configuration of LocalSettings.php.

Please excuse the maintenance delay and/or possible interruptions of the service.

</pre>

——— Gnomes.

<pre>

Enabling Extension:Loops.

Extension:Loops is enabled.

Enabling Variables.

Extension:Variables is enabled.

All operations completed.

For more details, see [[Special:Version]].

</pre>

[[User:Admin|——— Gnomes.]] ([[User talk:Admin|talk]]) 22:44, 12 November 2012 (CET)

"Extension LoopFunctions is incompatible with this release of MediaWiki, usage of deprecated non-existent $wgMessageCache. Per MediaWiki: ''$wgMessageCache | Removed in: 1.18.0| No longer used since r81027.''" Que? Whats wrong? Is it an old version?[[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 06:06, 13 November 2012 (CET)

*http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Editcount
*http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Countdown
*http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CreditTab
*http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:EditConflict
*http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ExcludeRandom
*http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Hierarchy
*http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FlashMP3 <- this is really needed for conlang
*http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Progressbar
*http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Random
*http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Random_In_Category
*http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:RandomInclude
*http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:RandomSelection
*http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Random_Pages
*http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Rating
*http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Rating_Bar
*http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Ratings <- not done yet but should be kept an eye on
*http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:RomanNumerals
*http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:StringLoop
*http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Poll
*http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:NewUserMessage or the last two after this one
*http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Automatic_Board_Welcome
*http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SocialProfile

Can these be included aswell? [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 08:24, 13 November 2012 (CET)

Whou, take it easy on him. You should only suggest those that are absolutely necessary. He's got bandwidth to think about. [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 08:31, 13 November 2012 (CET)

Poll, Random, Flash, Progress, EditConflict and automated greeting are those I would say is most important then. [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 08:35, 13 November 2012 (CET)

If you want you can check those out and make a judgement on whats absolutely neccisery, stringloop would be good for templates though. But these would mostly be one time thing so it doesn't effect bandwidth does it? [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 08:37, 13 November 2012 (CET)

http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Math

This would be useful too [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 17:21, 13 November 2012 (CET)

== Hello ==

I've never met you, have I. I'm conlang, CL for short. My ways of conlanging are strange; I've still got quite a lot to learn. I might do a little coding with you sometime or another. I just stopped by for whatever reason. :P [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 21:26, 14 November 2012 (CET)

Dyimkumt/Dialects

2012-11-14T20:11:31Z

Conlang: Created page with "The dialects of Dyimkumt come in many different forms, here are the major differences. ==Dialects== The top eight dialects will be referred to: #The Cyangeuhen dialect #So..."

The dialects of [[Dyimkumt]] come in many different forms, here are the major differences.
==Dialects==
The top eight dialects will be referred to:
#The Cyangeuhen dialect
#Solri Tribe dialects*
#The Gupan dialect
#The Southern Islands dialects*
#Hebertan Tribe dialects*
#The Hengyin dialect
#The Western Cyangeuhen dialect
#The Unkisa dialect
 <nowiki>*</nowiki>: The tribe and island dialects are a collection of very similar dialects from one region. The differences usually are desided by the one that occurs most in the dialects.
==Apostrophe==
===Sound===
One major difference is the sound that apostrophes make:
*Inverting the aspiration of the constant after it(t>tʰ('t), ɕʰ>ɕ('c))
**Cyangeuhen
**Gupan
**Western Cyangeuhen
**Hebertan1
*Pronouncing a gottal stop(ʔ)
**Solri
**Hebertan1
**Hengyin
*Pronouncing a bilabial click(ʘ)
**Unkisa
*If a nasal constant is behind the apostrophe, "invert" the g when speaking, (n > ng, m > mg, ng > n, and mg > m) if a vowel is behind it, speak like there is a "y" before it. (va'pe would be pronounced vya pe)
**Southern Islands

#The Hebertan Tribe dialects both inverting the aspiration of the constant after the apostrophe, ''and'' pronounces a gottal stop.

===Before or Between Tense Identifiers===
Another big difference between dialects is if you put an apostrophe before every tense('va'pe've) or between each tense. (va'pe've)

*Before
**Cyangeuhen
**Gupan
**Hengyin
**Southern Islands
*Between
**Western Cyangeuhen
**Solri
**Hebertan
*After
**Unkisa

==Phonetics==
===Constants===
===Vowels===

User talk:Conlang

2012-11-14T20:11:02Z

Conlang: /* Welcome! */

User talk:Waahlis

2012-11-14T20:09:44Z

Conlang: /* Hey! */

{{Welcome}}

Default message aside, thanks for dropping by! There is no intrusion, only welcoming! ;) - [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 23:55, 4 November 2012 (CET)

== Design ==

I always liked the blue-ish button theme. They are quite awesome.

On another note, I like the idea embodied in your draft for a new logo, although I can't say I really approve of the Castellar font. It feels a tad out of place. I appreciate the Latinate origin of the word and the connection with the font family of Roman style letters but I don't know. Castellar and Trajan don't feel particularly welcoming to me. Perhaps something more modern but still classy? Adobe Caslon Pro is quite similar to Castellar in its capital shapes and conveys class without straying into dusty old books territory… hmm
besides that, I think it's quite classy without being cheesy (like the current one, lol) - [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 22:06, 8 November 2012 (CET)

[[File:A_few_fonts.png|500px]]

Hm, it seems it changed the three first bottom lowercase examples to the same font. Ah, sigh.
- [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 22:17, 8 November 2012 (CET)

Oh dear! Couldn't find a bigger one could you?

I actually suspected you wouldn't, I suppose that's obvious from your personality. I am not sure about the current one though... My aesthetic senses itch when I see it...
But I'm sure I'll come up with something that you'd prefer!

Éstas, ¿qué te parecen: [[:File:Linguifex 2.0.png]] y [[:File:Linguifex 3.0.png]]?

[[User:Waahlis|Waahlis]] ([[User talk:Waahlis|talk]]) 22:31, 8 November 2012 (CET)

Oh! Qué decisión más difícil. Tertia versio tua oculos meos delectat. Tranquilitassecuritasque incarnat, inquit Chrysophylax. Placetne tibi ista "Castellar"? Fortasse tibi placebit altera versio cum capitalibus? Si Caslon tibi displicet alteram scripturam invenire possumus.

- [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 22:52, 8 November 2012 (CET)

: So I temporarily switched the site logo to the th ird one you suggested to see how it felt with the site layout. I think it looks ''lagom snyggt''. Vad tycks? - [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 23:02, 8 November 2012 (CET)

Me alegra que si.Non mihi placet valde multum, malo tertia versio, et non credo alteram versionem cum capitalibus mihi placeam. Ignosce linguae meae...

Μου αρέσει, αγκαλά είναι άσημι, εγώ θέλω κάτι πολύ... framträdande. --[[User:Waahlis|Waahlis]] ([[User talk:Waahlis|talk]]) 16:27, 9 November 2012 (CET)

:: Mégan semeiophoron hemeteron theleis; Hmm... fortasse tibi litterae factae cum coloribus in nomine nostro placebit? sý ʿara tó theleis; egō ʿellenika tēn glōssan oʾu fēmi :( - [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 21:47, 9 November 2012 (CET)

::: Aha! '''''ʿeureka!''''' What about a more framträdande förstasida? Det vill säga, Main_Page skulle kunna ha något mer imponerande som en banner. You know, something that says awesomeness and is visually attention-grabbing. I'd personally prefer it on the first page than always drawing your attention like the irk…wikia-logo. What do you think of this? - [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 21:50, 9 November 2012 (CET)

Oooh, that's a very archaic Greek. I'll avoid writing it then. Colours.... Well, not exactly to recommend in a logo... And yes of course! You wouldn't know because you can't read minds, but I am actually sketching on a front page right now, and yes, it'll draw attention! And by the way... 08? Allvarligt talat? Stön... ;P --[[User:Waahlis|Waahlis]] ([[User talk:Waahlis|talk]]) 00:19, 10 November 2012 (CET)

:Well, the only Greek I've ever taken is Ancient Greek (which I'm in the process of commencing to learn. My grasp of it is proto-proto-proto-existent.) I must admit, I'm not a very successful Roman aristocrat, what with my limited command of the ''noblest of tongues''. Thus, I propose to temporarily abandon the old sermones for some English! As we've seem to have done already.
:''Hehehehe''. True, colours tend to look a bit nasty in logos. I think the logo looks quite nice with the recently changed skin though. What do you think? Also, I've started fixing up Dhannuá here, seeing as its one of the most developed languages I have on paper (technically Word/PDF documents scattered over my harddrives) but yes, irrelevant rambling aside, it's good to see some ''corpus'' developing. Your Attian has me most intrigued!
:On another note, have you heard anything from anyone on the Wikkii-wiki? Nothing against your company (it's most enjoyable! :D) but it sure does feel a little empty. That, and I'd be elated if more people actually started using this, because if there's one thing I like almost as much as conlanging itself, it's reading about well-thought out conlangs! /sad phylax.
: Vadan denna antipati mot caput nationis? ;)
: - [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 02:11, 10 November 2012 (CET)

The only Greek I have extensively studied is Modern. Other, archaic forms were sort of included... At least it is better than my Latin, which I can only read properly. Excellent, you've switched to Vector as well? Or have you somehow standardised it, because if you have, my preferences tell the sote to override any other skin... And you know I like Dhannuá! It is very aesthetic, and very faithful to its Indo-European heritage! Why thank you!

Well, we conjecture that the hurricane Sandy is to blame for the down-time, as it seems to have coincided fairly well with the date Wikkii went down. I don't really have the contact info on anyone on wikkii except the admins, and MOB has been alerted where this wiki is. :D He'll probably come join us!

Let's just say I prefer the framsida before the baksida... ;P Will you have more time to edit today? [[User:Waahlis|Waahlis]] ([[User talk:Waahlis|talk]]) 07:46, 10 November 2012 (CET)
:Ah, I see! And yes, vector is the new standard until someone overrides it. Thanks for the praise. ^^. And ah, sadness. And, I might later, much later today. I have to attend certain events tonight… but bis bald! - [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 17:36, 10 November 2012 (CET)

==Imports==
How are you importing stuff? Google cache? '''[[User:PMOB|Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán]]''' 19:04, 10 November 2012 (CET)

Actually, I don't think code's possible to import by Google cache... :/ I just used wikia for the documentation templates. For Nāmic as well (which made it slightly unupdated). We could give it a try at the caches though. [[User:Waahlis|Waahlis]] ([[User talk:Waahlis|talk]]) 19:17, 10 November 2012 (CET)

No, the source code is messed up but it's still better than nothing. I don't think anything significant will have been lost but anything that is is still annoying. '''[[User:PMOB|Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán]]''' 19:40, 10 November 2012 (CET)

I suppose. I'm sure the site will get back to its usual self eventually, but I do find this site better, more reliable. --[[User:Waahlis|Waahlis]] ([[User talk:Waahlis|talk]]) 19:56, 10 November 2012 (CET)

I read through some comments online and people that have contacted Wikkii have had no response - but I hope you're right. I don't know how he would know but Rostov said the data aren't lost. '''[[User:PMOB|Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán]]''' 20:07, 10 November 2012 (CET)

I did that as well, on Facebook. I am fairly sure they wouldn't just shut down it all. Well, he wouldn't. There's a strong indication though, that loosing the data when the server collapses seems to be rather uncommon. Granted that the server comes back online, that is... [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 20:16, 10 November 2012 (CET)

== Chromaesthetics ==

Purple. Blue. Orange.

Also, on another note, are we doing away with the "Create a language"-box on the main page? - [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 03:22, 11 November 2012 (CET)

Would you mind getting a blue administrator sphere then? :D Of course not, as I said: a '''very''' preliminary draught of a Main page.

By the way, would you mind not answering my messages to you on my talk page? :P It gets rather cluttered, I think! [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 12:05, 11 November 2012 (CET)

: Apologies, I should've continued the conversation on my own talk page per convention. I understand the cluttered argument fully :P… I get confused when I haven't slept well. A blue administrator sphere would be cool. Is purple out of the question though? - [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 20:36, 11 November 2012 (CET)

Of course, I understand! Hehe, well, I think that if EmperorZelos'd come back, he'd have a lot stronger feelings about that colour than you... :P Your choice though! Nevertheless, the code for a signature like the one administrators' had on Wikkii is: <nowiki>[[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]]''' </nowiki> Which looks like this: [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]]'''
 --[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 20:44, 11 November 2012 (CET)

:Ah. I see. What with that emperor title. Hmpf... If he does not object to sharing the colour (after all: ''In omnio anno rei publicae duo consules fuerunt, qui in toga picta vestiebantur'') I'd opt for purple myself. Purple is the colour of magistrates after all. If he would be completely averse to sharing then… we shall have that discussion when/if it comes. ;) But hey, thanks for awesoming up the wiki! That admin symbol is quite impressive too. Thanks for it :)
:Btw, I saw you added some links to en.wiki…, so I added some shtuff to the db. '''''w:''''' should work for interwiki linking. - [[User:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]] ([[User_talk:Chrysophylax|talky talk]]) 21:05, 11 November 2012 (CET)

I don't know whence the name, actually... :/ ''Sí, sí, supongo que si.'' Let's just say that he's not very big on sharing... I can't think of any awesoming so far...! I've imported one or three templates, categorised a bit. But I do think it'd be fun should you use the admin symbol! It gives us a bit of consitency! :D [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 22:36, 11 November 2012 (CET)

== Hey, YOU! ==

Hi :3 Just imported loads of stuff [[User:EmperorZelos|EmperorZelos]] ([[User talk:EmperorZelos|talk]]) 17:49, 12 November 2012 (CET)

Hi there! Välkommen! :D Excellent, I'll give you a hand. Don't forget to consult the domain owner! --[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 19:42, 12 November 2012 (CET)

THere is alot of work to be done but of course we'll talk to the guy :P He is an admin aswell now and got a voice. [[User:EmperorZelos|[[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Zelos]]''']] ([[User talk:EmperorZelos|talk]]) 20:05, 12 November 2012 (CET)

and my signature doesnt work! [[User:EmperorZelos|[[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=http://conlang.wikkii.com/wiki/Conlang:Administrators]]&nbsp;'''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''']] ([[User talk:EmperorZelos|talk]]) 20:07, 12 November 2012 (CET)

You're signature's messed up... :/ Well, I'll walk around change some details, content and organise the naming of the templates (new project of mine). I'll work on a better Main page as well. Also, the Random word feature doesn't work. --[[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 20:09, 12 November 2012 (CET)

how do I fix the signature? I tried yours and my old one, fucking fails!

And good, and it doesnt because he hasn't installed some basic features. once he does it should work [[User:EmperorZelos|'''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''']] ([[User talk:EmperorZelos|talk]]) 20:10, 12 November 2012 (CET)

Finally! [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 20:12, 12 November 2012 (CET)

Ehm, I left a piece of code on Billy's talk page, which he used? Are you sure you've got the "wikitext" square checked? [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 20:13, 12 November 2012 (CET)

I got it resolved now.

we'll get around to it, we need new front page, new icon, new everything.

== Poetry ==

Just thought you ought to know that your [http://waahlis.deviantart.com/#/d5jkmvg For a Girl in the Messinese language] inspired me to translate a couple of poems into Zamoran a week or so ago :P '''[[User:PMOB|Pá mamūnám ontā́ bán]]''' 22:55, 12 November 2012 (CET)

Why thank you! I'm glad people like that one! :) [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 08:00, 13 November 2012 (CET)

== New Extensions ==

The gnomes have added [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Slideshow_(Javascript) Slideshow]. I seem to recall you using it somewhere, so I figured you'd appreciate it [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]]''' 00:25, 13 November 2012 (CET)
A proper forum (see [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikiForum Extension:WikiForum]) is coming. [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]]''' 00:25, 13 November 2012 (CET)

This is going to kick ass [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 08:02, 13 November 2012 (CET)

"Is it a plain? No. Is it a bird? No. Is it Batman? No. - '''It's the Extender!'''"
"Extenders - on dvd the 27th of November."
And oh yes, Zelos, it will! :D [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 08:03, 13 November 2012 (CET)

I have already suggested additional extensions that can and will be useful to us, one is MP3 playing so we can have audio recordings :D [[File:Zelos.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos|Emperor Zelos]]''' 08:25, 13 November 2012 (CET)

== Summons ==

{{User:Chrysophylax/tools/summon|User_talk:EmperorZelos#Userboxes|Chrysophylax}}

== Hey! ==

Hey Waahlis! :P I saw your message and came over. How has it been? I've been caught up in school, so I'll try to come here periodically. Anything I need to know? [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 21:38, 13 November 2012 (CET)

Hi CL! I'm glad you made it! It's been fine, not very much conlanging, though.. :P You? :) I don't think so... We're still trying to set the place up - I am currently organising the templates (which takes ages...) and I'm going to make a new Main page! Since you're good at coding, you could help Chysophylax and Zelos if you want? :) Other than that, just keep calm, fix your lang and be social! :D [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 22:30, 13 November 2012 (CET)

I'll see what I can do coding-wise; my codes are written a little strange. But here I can learn from professionals! I can also help with transferring comlang over; when you start, just message me.

If you want to I can help organize the templates with you; I'm kinda an organization freak. XD But on a serious note, I don't mind organizing stuff, so if you want me to help, just say so. I know it can get a bit boring. :) [[User:Conlang|CL]][[User_talk:Conlang|/ˈ'''t'''ɔk ˈpeɪdʒ/]] 21:09, 14 November 2012 (CET)

P.S. sorry if I use ":P" too much; I try to limit myself a lot on doing it. If I didn't, you'd see it a lot more. :P

== Thoughts ==

Seeing as you're the apparent leading in-house scholar on Indo-European languages I'd like to ask you for some thoughts regarding this most anciente and wickede variant of Classical Dhannuá.

:{|
|colspan=21|''Bhōzōiōm Lūdhas peri sar sa dānaizā dhānnwa ta bhōzānd sann i āuzir nissīr sei ta izd sa aliūzella swēsor dhānnwar Lūsanar.'' ||
|-
|Bhōz-ō-iōm||Lūdhas||peri||sa-r||sa||dānaiz-ā||dhānnwa||ta||bhōz-ānd||sa-nn||i||āuz-ir||niss-īr||sei||ta||izd||sa||aliūzell-a||swēsor||dhānnw-ar||Lūsan-ar||
|-
|speak-{{sc|1sg-1sg.encl}}||Lūdhas||about||she-{{sc|gen|}}||she||dānair-{{sc|gen.pl}}||tongue||subclause.{{sc|prt}}||speak-{{sc|3pl}}||she-{{sc|acc}}||{{sc|loc.prep}}||eastern-{{sc|gen.pl}}||isle-{{sc|gen.pl}}||they||subclause.{{sc|prt}}||be.{{sc|3sg.pres}}||she||another-{{sc|fem.nom}}||sister||tongue-{{sc|gen.sg}}||Lūsan-{{sc|gen.sg}}||
|-
|colspan=21|''Lannarīzānd sēseid R rōd Z ca aliūzella aljūza sei.''||
|-
|Lannarīzānd||sē-seid||R||rōd||Z||ca||aliūzell-a||aljūz-a||sei||
|-
|twist-{{sc|ipfv.pst-3pl}}|| {{sc|refl.}}intensifier-they.{{sc|dat}}||R||for_purpose_of.{{sc|prep}}||Z||also||different-{{sc|neut.pl}}||thing{{sc|-neut.pl}}||they||
|}

The translation ends up something like: "'I Lúthais, say of that, that dánaizian tongue that they speak in the eastern isles, that it is another sister of the tongue of Lúsan. They have changed for themselves r for z and other strange things."

It's a non-rhotacised variant so to speak. Cf. Continental Silver-age Classical Dhannuá ''bhōzō'', '''bhōz'''– with Standard Dhannuá ''bhóran'', '''bhór'''-. [[File:Admin.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax|Chrysophylax]]''' 01:46, 14 November 2012 (CET)

Oh dear, where dd you get that from? :P Flattering, though!

Let's see... from ''Bhōzōiōm'' from *bʰeh₂, then ''peri'' from *peri... Why voice*h₁és(e)t(i) to ''izd''? Also, I suppose the "she" and "they" are feminine demonstratives? Maybe you could gloss that differently? Also, the ''Lannarīzānd'' is not that transparent to me...! Amazing language, truly! :D [[File:Waahlis.png|35px|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Waahlis|Waahlis]]''' 20:39, 14 November 2012 (CET)

User talk:Conlang

2012-11-14T19:58:19Z

Conlang: /* D-Bomb */

User talk:Conlang

2012-11-14T19:55:36Z

Conlang: /* D-Bomb */

Dyimkumt

2012-11-13T20:46:33Z

Conlang: Created page with "{{Revamp}} {{ClassMeter | Name = Dyimkumt | NativeName = Dyimkumt | Type = <!--Is your language isolating, analytic, pol..."

{{Revamp}}
{{ClassMeter
| Name = Dyimkumt
| NativeName = Dyimkumt
| Type = 
| Alignment = Tripartite

|adjective = final
|adposition =
|adverb =
|article =
|relativeclause =
|nounclause =
|order = SVO
| Tonal = no
| Declensions = yes
| Conjugations = yes
| Genders = none
| Nouns decline according to...
| Case = no
| NNumber = yes
| Definiteness = no
| Gender = no
| Verbs conjugate according to...
| Voice = no
| Mood = no
| Person = no
| VNumber = no
| Tense = yes
| Aspect = no
|To what degree, from 0 to 100 where 100 is fully completed, is the respective part completed?
|Phonology = 100
|NounCases = 100
|NounDef = 100
|NounNumbers =0
|NounGender = 100
|VerbPerson = 100
|VerbNumber = 100
|VerbAspect = 100
|VerbTense =0
|VerbMood = 100
|VerbVoice = 100
|AdjCase = 100
|AdjNumber = 100
|AdjDef = 100
|AdjGen = 0
|AdjComparative =0
|AdjSuperlative =0
|Supine =0
|Gerund =0
|Participle =0
|Infinitive =0
|Modality =0
|Words = 50
}}

==General information==


==Phonology==
===Consonants===
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! style="width: 68px; "|
! style="width: 68px; " |Bilabial
! style="width: 68px; " |Labio-dental
! style="width: 68px; " |Dental
! style="width: 68px; " |Alveolar
! style="width: 68px; " |Post-Alveolar
! style="width: 68px; " |Alveolo-palatal
! style="width: 68px; " |Palatal
! style="width: 68px; " |Velar
! style="width: 68px; " |Labial-velar
! style="width: 68px; " |Glottal
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! style="" |Fricative
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| f v
| θ ð
| s z
| ʃ
| ɕʰ
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|-
! style="" |Approximant
|
|
|
| r
|
|
| j
|
| w
|
|-
! style="" |Lateral app.
|
|
|
| l
|
|
|
|
|
|
|}

===Vowels===
{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" class="wikitable article-table" style="width: 540px; text-align:center"
! style="width: 90px; "|
! style="width: 90px; "|Front
! style="width: 90px; "|Near-front
! style="width: 90px; "|Central
! style="width: 90px; "|Near-back
! style="width: 90px; "|Back
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Close
| i
|
|
|
| u
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Near-close
|
| ɪ
|
| ʊ
|
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Close-mid
| e
|
|
|
| o
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Mid
|
|
| ə
|
|
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Open-mid
|
|
|
|
|
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Near-open
|
|
|
|
|
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Open
| a
|
|
|
|
|}

Diphthongs:
*au [aʊ]
*ei [ei]
*ui [ʊi]
*ou [oʊ]
*eu [eu]
*yy1 [i]

#yy technically isn't a diphthong.

===Writing to Phonotactics===

There are two ways to write this language: one is IPA and two is the actual spelling. the alphabet is simple:

{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" class="wikitable article-table" style="width: 1300px; text-align:center;"
!colspan="2"|Upper case
!colspan="2"|A
!colspan="2"|B
!colspan="6"|C
!colspan="2"|D
!colspan="2"|E
!colspan="2"|F
!colspan="2"|G
!colspan="2"|H
!colspan="2"|I
!colspan="2"|J
!colspan="2"|K
!colspan="2"|L
!colspan="2"|M
!colspan="2"|N
!colspan="2"|O
!colspan="2"|P
!colspan="2"|R
!colspan="2"|S
!colspan="4"|T
!colspan="2"|U
!colspan="2"|V
!colspan="2"|W
!colspan="2"|Y
!colspan="2"|Z
|-
!colspan="2"|Lower case
|colspan="2"|a
|colspan="2"|b
|colspan="6"|c
|colspan="2"|d
|colspan="2"|e
|colspan="2"|f
|colspan="2"|g
|colspan="2"|h
|colspan="2"|i
|colspan="2"|j
|colspan="2"|k
|colspan="2"|l
|colspan="2"|m
|colspan="2"|n
|colspan="2"|o
|colspan="2"|p
|colspan="2"|r
|colspan="2"|s
|colspan="4"|t
|colspan="2"|u
|colspan="2"|v
|colspan="2"|w
|colspan="2"|y
|colspan="2"|z
|-
!rowspan="2"|IPA
!Normal IPA
|colspan="2"|[a]
|colspan="2"|[b]
|colspan="6"|[ɕʰ]
|colspan="2"|[d]
|colspan="2"|[e]
|colspan="2"|[f]
|colspan="2"|[g]
|colspan="2"|[h]
|colspan="2"|[ɪ]
|colspan="2"|[dʒ]
|colspan="2"|[k]
|colspan="2"|[l]
|colspan="2"|[m]
|colspan="2"|[n]
|colspan="2"|[o]
|colspan="2"|[p]
|colspan="2"|[ɹ]
|colspan="2"|[s]
|colspan="4"|[t]
|colspan="2"|[u]
|colspan="2"|[v]
|colspan="2"|[w]
|colspan="2"|[ɪ]
|colspan="2"|[z]
|-
!Exceptions in the IPA
|y_
|[ə]
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="6"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|y_
|[a]
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|y_
|[i]
|V_ or _V
|[j]
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|_h
|[ʃ]
|#_h
|[θ]
|_h and not #_
|[ð]
|y_
|[ʊ]
|colspan="2"|--
|colspan="2"|--
|_V and not _y
|[j]
|colspan="2"|--
|}
This uses the SCA(sound change amplifier(I think)) syntax. If you don't know of this, here is a little bit of info:
{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" class="wikitable article-table" style="width: 300px; text-align:center;"
!colspan="2"|Key
|-
|_
|the character
|-
|#
|start(when it is placed before the string) or end(when it is placed before the string)
|-
|(...)
|could be
|}

===Phonotactics===


The syllable pattern is "[C(y/l/r)/P][V/D]N"(using awkword syntax), where C is a constant, V is a vowel, D is vowel diphthong, N is nasal, and P is constant pair.

Most constant pairs are:
*th,
*sh,
*ng,
*st,
*and Sf1

#S stands for sonorant

==Basic grammar==


In Dyimkumt, you naturally group subject and verbs together, as do you group adjectives and relationships, (which I will explain furter on) and tense identifier. All of of these you do with an apostrophe, which, verbally, can be spoken different ways. One way is to "invert" the aspiration on the next constant,(common to [[Dyimkumt/Dialects|cyangeuhen dialect]]) like 't would be pronounced [tʰ], 'c, the exception, would now not be aspirated because it naturally is aspirated. Another way is to pronounce a glottal stop, common to most [[Dyimkumt/Dialects|hebertan tribe dialects]]. The most uncommon way is to pronounce a bilabial click, ([ʘ]) which can be found in the [[Dyimkumt/Dialects|unkisa dialect]], a very small and weird dialect.

Another mix up between dialects is whether you have a apostrophe before every tense identifier, or in between every tense identifier.

==Vocabulary==

{{Kinship
|PaternalGrandMother=
|PaternalGrandFather=
|MaternalGrandMother=
|MaternalGrandFather=
|PaternalAuntsHusband=
|PaternalAunt=
|PaternalUnclesWife=
|PaternalUncle=
|Father=
|Mother=
|PaternalTwinUnclesWife=
|PaternalTwinUncle=
|PaternalYoungerUnclesWife=
|PaternalYoungerUncle=
|PaternalOlderUnclesWife=
|PaternalOlderUncle=
|PaternalTwinAuntsHusband=
|PaternalTwinAunt=
|PaternalYoungerAuntsHusband=
|PaternalYoungerAunt=
|PaternalOlderAuntsHusband=
|PaternalOlderAunt=
|MaternalTwinUnclesWife=
|MaternalTwinUncle=
|MaternalYoungerUnclesWife=
|MaternalYoungerUncle=
|MaternalOlderUnclesWife=
|MaternalOlderUncle=
|MaternalTwinAuntsHusband=
|MaternalTwinAunt=
|MaternalYoungerAuntsHusband=
|MaternalYoungerAunt=
|MaternalOlderAuntsHusband=
|MaternalOlderAunt=
|PaternalTwinUnclesSon=
|PaternalTwinUnclesDaughter=
|PaternalYoungerUnclesSon=
|PaternalYoungerUnclesDaughter=
|PaternalOlderUnclesSon=
|PaternalOlderUnclesDaughter=
|PaternalTwinAuntsSon=
|PaternalTwinAuntsDaughter=
|PaternalYoungerAuntsSon=
|PaternalYoungerAuntsDaughter=
|PaternalOlderAuntsSon=
|PaternalOlderAuntsDaughter=
|MaternalTwinUnclesSon=
|MaternalTwinUnclesDaughter=
|MaternalYoungerUnclesSon=
|MaternalYoungerUnclesDaughter=
|MaternalOlderUnclesSon=
|MaternalOlderUnclesDaughter=
|MaternalTwinAuntsSon=
|MaternalTwinAuntsDaughter=
|MaternalYoungerAuntsSon=
|MaternalYoungerAuntsDaughter=
|MaternalOlderAuntsSon=
|MaternalOlderAuntsDaughter=
|Sister=
|Self=
|Husband=
|Wife=
|LittleSister=
|TwinSister=
|BigSister=
|BigBrother=
|TwinBrother=
|LittleBrother=
|LittleSistersHusband=
|TwinSistersHusband=
|BigSistersHusband=
|BigBrothersWife=
|TwinBrothersWife=
|LittleBrothersWife=
|MaternalAuntsSon=
|MaternalAuntsDaughter=
|MaternalUnclesSon=
|MaternalUnclesDaughter=
|HusbandSon=
|HusbandDaughter=
|WifeSon=
|WifeDaughter=
|TwinSisterNiece=
|TwinSisterNephew=
|LittleSisterNiece=
|LittleSisterNephew=
|BigSisterNiece=
|BigSisterNephew=
|TwinBrotherNiece=
|TwinBrotherNephew=
|LittleBrotherNiece=
|LittleBrotherNephew=
|BigBrotherNiece=
|BigBrotherNephew=
}}

==Swadesh list==


==Example texts==


[[Category:Conlangs]]
[[Category:Languages]]

User:Conlang

2012-11-13T20:44:48Z

Conlang: Created page with "edeum, acon'cone... ("Hello, I am..." in Dyimkumt) Hello I'm '''conlang''' or just CL for short. {{Userbox |id = DY |info = '''This user is making the conl..."

edeum, acon'cone...

("Hello, I am..." in [[Dyimkumt]])

Hello I'm '''conlang''' or just CL for short.
{{Userbox
|id = [[Dyimkumt|DY]]
|info = '''This user is making the conlang, Dyimkumt.'''
}}

Here is my [[User:Conlang/Sandbox|sandbox]].

Here is my [[User:Conlang/Template:Voting|voting template draft]].

Here is my first attempt at a conlang; [[User:Conlang/Owaex|Owaex]].

User talk:Waahlis

2012-11-13T20:38:53Z

Conlang: /* Hey! */ new section

Guide:IPA

2012-07-19T20:51:14Z

Conlang:

==Consonant charts==
===Pulmonic consonants===
{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" class="wikitable article-table" style="width: 884px; text-align:center;"
! style="width: 68px; "|
! style="width: 68px; "|Bilabial
! style="width: 68px; "|Labio-dental
! style="width: 68px; "|Dental
! style="width: 68px; "|Alveolar
! style="width: 68px; "|Post-alveolar
! style="width: 68px; "|Retroflex
! style="width: 68px; "|Alveolo-palatal
! style="width: 68px; "|Palatal
! style="width: 68px; "|Velar
! style="width: 68px; "|Uvular
! style="width: 68px; "|Pharyngeal
! style="width: 68px; "|Epiglottal
! style="width: 68px; "|Glottal
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Nasal
| m̥ m
| ɱ
| n̪
| n̥ n
| n̠
| ɳ
|
| ɲ̥ ɲ
| ŋ̊ ŋ
| ɴ
|
|
|
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Plosive
| p b
| p̪ b̪
| t̪ d̪
| t d
| t̠ d̠
| ʈ ɖ
|
| c ɟ
| k g
| q ɢ
|
| ʡ
| ʔ
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Affricate
| p͡ɸ b͡β
| p̪͡f b̪͡v
| t̪͡θ d̪͡ð
| t͡s d͡z
| t͡ʃ d͡ʒ
| ʈ͡ʂ ɖ͡ʐ
| t͡ɕ d͡ʑ
| c͡ç ɟ͡ʝ
| k͡x g͡ɣ
|
|
|
|
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Fricative
| ɸ β
| f v
| θ ð
| s z θ̠ ð̠
| ʃ ʒ
| ʂ ʐ
| ɕ ʑ
| ç ʝ
| x ɣ
| χ ʁ
| ħ ʕ
| ʜ ʢ
| h ɦ
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Approximant
| β̞
| ʋ
|
| ɹ
|
| ɻ
|
| j
| ɰ
|
|
|
|
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Trill
| ʙ
|
|
| r
|
| ɽ͡r
|
|
|
| ʀ
|
| я
|
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Flap or tap
| ⱱ̟
| ⱱ
|
| ɾ
|
| ɽ
|
|
|
| ɢ̆
|
| ʡ̯
|
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Lateral fric.
|
|
|
| ɬ ɮ
|
| ɭ˔̊
|
| ʎ̥˔
| ʟ̝̊ ʟ̝
|
|
|
|
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Lateral app.
|
|
|
| l
|
| ɭ
|
| ʎ
| ʟ
|
|
|
|
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Lateral flap
|
|
|
| ɺ
|
| ɺ̠
|
| ʎ̯
|
|
|
|
|
|}

===Non-pulmonic consonants===
====Ejectives====
Ejective consonants are marked in the IPA with an apostrophe. Voiced ejectives are thought by many to be impossible for humans to produce.
{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" class="wikitable article-table" style="width: 884px; text-align:center;"
! style="width: 68px; "|
! style="width: 68px; "|Bilabial
! style="width: 68px; "|Labio-dental
! style="width: 68px; "|Dental
! style="width: 68px; "|Alveolar
! style="width: 68px; "|Post-alveolar
! style="width: 68px; "|Retroflex
! style="width: 68px; "|Alveolo-palatal
! style="width: 68px; "|Palatal
! style="width: 68px; "|Velar
! style="width: 68px; "|Uvular
! style="width: 68px; "|Pharyngeal
! style="width: 68px; "|Epiglottal
! style="width: 68px; "|Glottal
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Plosive
| p'
|
|
| t'
|
| ʈ'
|
| c'
| k'
| q'
|
|
|
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Affricate
| p͡ɸ'
| p̪͡f'
|
|
| t͡ʃ'
| ʈ͡ʂ'
| t͡ɕ'
| c͡ç'
| k͡x'
|
|
|
|
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Fricative
| ɸ'
| f'
| θ'
| s'
| ʃ'
| ʂ'
| ɕ'
| ç'
| x'
| χ'
|
|
|
|}

==Vowel chart==
{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" class="wikitable article-table" style="width: 540px; text-align:center"
! style="width: 90px; "|
! style="width: 90px; "|Front
! style="width: 90px; "|Near-front
! style="width: 90px; "|Central
! style="width: 90px; "|Near-back
! style="width: 90px; "|Back
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Close
| i y
|
| ɨ ʉ
|
| ɯ u
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Near-close
|
| ɪ ʏ
| ɪ̈ ʊ̈
| ʊ
|
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Close-mid
| e ø
|
| ɘ ɵ
|
| ɤ o
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Mid
| e̞ ø̞
|
| ə
|
| ɤ̞ o̞
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Open-mid
| ɛ œ
|
| ɜ ɞ
|
| ʌ ɔ
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Near-open
| æ
|
| ɐ
|
|
|-
! style="text-align: center; "|Open
| a ɶ
|
| ä
|
| ɑ ɒ
|}
Here is another version of the vowel chart:
{| class="nounderlines" cellspacing="0px" cellpadding=0 style="text-align:center; background:transparent;"
|- style="text-align:center; font-size:smaller;"
||
| style="width:60px;" | '''Front'''
| style="width:60px;" | '''Near-front'''
| style="width:60px;" | '''Central'''
| style="width:60px;" | '''Near-back'''
| style="width:60px;" | '''Back'''
|-
| style="height:30px; font-size:smaller; text-align:right;" | '''Close'''
| style="height:210px;" colspan=5 rowspan=7 | <div style="position:relative;width:300px;height:210px;">[[Image:Blank vowel trapezoid.svg|300px]]<div style="background:transparent; position:absolute; top:0px; left:0px;">
{| style="position:relative; width:300px; height:210px; text-align:center; background:transparent;"
|-
| style="width:300px; height:210px; text-align:center; background:transparent;" |


<div style="position:absolute; left:5%; width:2.33em; top:2%; height:1.33em; font-size:120%; background:white;">
i • y</div>
<div style="position:absolute; left:43.5%; width:2.33em; top:2%; height:1.33em; font-size:120%; background:white;">
ɨ • ʉ</div>
<div style="position:absolute; left:82%; width:3em; top:2%; height:1.33em; font-size:120%; background:white;">
ɯ • u</div>


<div style="position:absolute; left:29%; width:2.33em; top:16%; height:1.33em; font-size:120%; background:white;">
ɪ • ʏ</div>
<div style="position:absolute; left:47.5%; width:2.66em; top:16%; height:1.33em; font-size:120%; background:white;">
ɪ̈ • ʊ̈</div>
<div style="position: absolute; left: 69%; width: 1.5em; top: 16%; height: 1.33em; font-size: 120%; background: white;">• ʊ</div>


<div style="position:absolute; left:16%; width:2.66em; top:30%; height:1.33em; font-size:120%; background:white;">
e • ø</div>
<div style="position:absolute; left:47.5%; width:2.8em; top:30%; height:1.33em; font-size:120%; background:white;">
ɘ • ɵ</div>
<div style="position:absolute; left:83%; width:2.66em; top:30%; height:1.33em; font-size:120%; background:white;">
ɤ • o</div>


<div style="position:absolute; left:24.4%; width:2.33em; top:44%; height:1.33em; font-size:120%; background:white;">
e̞ • ø̞</div>
<div style="position:absolute; left:57.5%; width:1em; top:44%; height:1.33em; font-size:120%; background:white;">
ə</div>
<div style="position:absolute; left:83%; width:2.66em; top:44%; height:1.33em; font-size:120%; background:white;">
ɤ̞ • o̞</div>


<div style="position:absolute; left:29.5%; width:2.66em; top:58%; height:1.33em; font-size:120%; background:white;">
ɛ • œ</div>
<div style="position:absolute; left:57.6%; width:2.33em; top:58%; height:1.33em; font-size:120%; background:white;">
ɜ • ɞ</div>
<div style="position:absolute; left:84.5%; width:2.33em; top:58%; height:1.33em; font-size:120%; background:white;">
ʌ • ɔ</div>


<div style="position:absolute; left:38%; width:1.66em; top:73%; height:1.33em; font-size:120%; background:white;">
æ •</div>
<div style="position:absolute; left:64.2%; width:1em; top:73%; height:1.33em; font-size:120%; background:white;">
ɐ</div>


<div style="position:absolute; left:43%; width:2.66em; top:86%; height:1.33em; font-size:120%; background:white;">
a • ɶ</div>
<div style="position:absolute; left:66.9%; width:1em; top:86%; height:1.33em; font-size:120%; background:white;">
ä</div>
<div style="position:absolute; left:83.8%; width:2.66em; top:86%; height:1.33em; font-size:120%; background:white;">
ɑ • ɒ</div>
|}
</div></div>
|-
| style="height:30px; font-size:smaller; text-align:right;" | '''Near‑close'''
|-
| style="height:30px; font-size:smaller; text-align:right;" | '''Close‑mid'''
|-
| style="height:30px; font-size:smaller; text-align:right;" | '''Mid'''
|-
| style="height:30px; font-size:smaller; text-align:right;" | '''Open‑mid'''
|-
| style="height:30px; font-size:smaller; text-align:right;" | '''Near‑open'''
|-
| style="height:30px; font-size:smaller; text-align:right;" | '''Open'''
|}
[[Category:Guides]]

Template:Jup-Noun

2012-06-30T19:51:34Z

Conlang:

{{#vardefine:w|{{#switch:{{{1|}}}|={{nc|{{PAGENAME}}}}|#default={{{1|}}}
}}}}
{| border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" class="wikitable article-table" style="width: 272px; text-align:center;"
! colspan="2" |
! colspan="2" |a
! colspan="2" |the
|-
! colspan="2" |
! style="width: 68px; " |Positive
! style="width: 68px; " |Negative
! style="width: 68px; " |Positive
! style="width: 68px; " |Negative
|-
! rowspan="3" |Subject
! Singular
| x{{!}}/{{#var:w}}/o.
| x{{!}}/{{#var:w}}/o{{!}}
| o{{!}}/{{#var:w}}/o.
| o{{!}}/{{#var:w}}/o{{!}}
|-
! Plural
| x{{!}}/{{#var:w}}/x.
| x{{!}}/{{#var:w}}/x{{!}}
| o{{!}}/{{#var:w}}/x.
| o{{!}}/{{#var:w}}/x{{!}}
|-
! Infinitive
| x{{!}}/{{#var:w}}/^.
| x{{!}}/{{#var:w}}/^{{!}}
| o{{!}}/{{#var:w}}/^.
| o{{!}}/{{#var:w}}/^{{!}}
|-
! rowspan="3" |Object
! Singular
| x!/{{#var:w}}/o.
| x!/{{#var:w}}/o{{!}}
| o!/{{#var:w}}/o.
| o!/{{#var:w}}/o{{!}}
|-
! Plural
| x!/{{#var:w}}/x.
| x!/{{#var:w}}/x{{!}}
| o!/{{#var:w}}/x.
| o!/{{#var:w}}/x{{!}}
|-
! Infinitive
| x!/{{#var:w}}/^.
| x!/{{#var:w}}/^{{!}}
| o!/{{#var:w}}/^.
| o!/{{#var:w}}/^{{!}}
|-
! rowspan="3" |Indirect Object
! Singular
| x:/{{#var:w}}/o.
| x:/{{#var:w}}/o{{!}}
| o:/{{#var:w}}/o.
| o:/{{#var:w}}/o{{!}}
|-
! Plural
| x:/{{#var:w}}/x.
| x:/{{#var:w}}/x{{!}}
| o:/{{#var:w}}/x.
| o:/{{#var:w}}/x{{!}}
|-
! Infinitive
| x:/{{#var:w}}/^.
| x:/{{#var:w}}/^{{!}}
| o:/{{#var:w}}/^.
| o:/{{#var:w}}/^{{!}}
|}
<noinclude>
{{Documentation}}
[[Category:Templates]]
</noinclude>

IPA for Cha

2012-06-12T20:49:51Z

Conlang: Undo revision 8077 by Conlang (talk)

The charts below show the way in which the [[wikipedia:International Phonetic Alphabet|International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)]] represents [[Cha]] pronunciations. English approximations are loose in some cases and are only intended to give a general idea of the pronunciation.

{{IPA keys}}
{| style="background: none"
|-
| valign="top" |

{| style="background: none"
|-
| valign="top" |
{| class="IPA wikitable"
![[wikipedia:Wikipedia:IPA|IPA]] !! Examples !! nearest English equivalent
|-
! colspan=4| [[wikipedia:Consonant|Consonants]]
|-
|align="center" |<big>t͡ʃ</big>
|'''ch'''urhe
|ca'''tch'''
|-
|align="center" |<big>h</big>
|'''h'''ia
|'''h'''igh
|-
|align="center" |<big>k</big>
|pan'''k'''or
|s'''c'''anning
|-
|align="center" |<big>m</big>
|'''m'''á
|'''m'''aps
|-
|align="center" |<big>n</big>
|pu'''n'''sé
|'''n'''ight
|-
|align="center" |<big>p</big>
|'''p'''or
|s'''p'''oon
|-
|align="center" |<big>r</big>
|chau'''r'''á
|pe'''rr'''o ([[wikipedia:Spanish language|Spanish]]), χο'''ρ'''ός ([[wikipedia:Greek language|Greek]])
|-
|align="center" |<big>s</big>
|'''s'''eorí
|'''s'''entence
|-
|align="center" |<big>t</big>
|'''t'''aolon
|s'''t'''arted
|-
|align="center" |<big>w</big>
|siaotenoq'''u'''ú
|'''w'''eep
|}
| valign="top" |
{| class="IPA wikitable"
![[wikipedia:Wikipedia:IPA|IPA]] !! Examples !! nearest English equivalent
|-
! colspan="3"| [[wikipedia:Vowel|Vowels]]
|-
|align="center" |<big>a</big>
|p'''a'''tlia
|т'''а'''м ([[wikipedia:Russian language|Russian]]), c'''a'''rro ([[wikipedia:Portuguese language|Portuguese]])
|-
|align="center" |<big>ɐ</big>
|patli'''a'''
|n'''u'''t, sac'''a''' ([[wikipedia:Portuguese language|Portuguese]])
|-
|align="center" |<big>ɛ</big>
|cha'''e'''sia
|b'''e'''d, Am'''e'''rika ([[wikipedia:Czech language|Czech]])
|-
|align="center" |<big>e</big>
|t'''e'''
|pl'''ay''', jou'''er''' ([[wikipedia:French language|French]])
|-
|align="center" |<big>i</big>
|s'''i'''a
|k'''ey''' (but shorter), f'''i'''n'''i''' ([[wikipedia:French language|French]])
|-
|align="center" |<big>ɪ</big>
|pantusit'''i'''
|b'''i'''t, b'''i'''tte ([[wikipedia:German language|German]])
|-
|align="center" |<big>o</big>
|p'''o'''r
|c'''oa'''t, t'''o'''d'''o''' ([[wikipedia:Spanish language|Spanish]])
|-
|align="center" |<big>u</big>
|k'''u'''
|y'''ou''' (but shorter), '''ou''' ([[wikipedia:French language|French]])
|-
|align="center" |<big>ʊ</big>
|Pan'''u'''chatú
|h'''oo'''k, '''o'''rt ([[wikipedia:Swedish language|Swedish]])
|-
!colspan=3| [[wikipedia:Stress (linguistics)|Stress]]
|-
|align="center" |<big>◌́</big>
| colspan=2|Stress
|}
|}
|}
[[Category:Languages]]
[[Category:Conlangs]]
[[Category:Cha]]

Template:NounDec

2012-06-02T20:46:16Z

Conlang: now insensitive to case

|-
! colspan="4"|Nouns decline according to...
|-
| colspan=2 {{#ifeq:{{lc:{{{NCase|}}}}}|yes|bgcolor="#00B000"|bgcolor="#B00000"}} | '''Case'''
| colspan=2 {{#ifeq:{{lc:{{{NNumber|}}}}}|yes|bgcolor="#00B000"|bgcolor="#B00000"}} | '''Number'''
|-
| colspan=2 {{#ifeq:{{lc:{{{NDefiniteness|}}}}}|yes|bgcolor="#00B000"|bgcolor="#B00000"}} | '''Definiteness'''
| colspan=2 {{#ifeq:{{lc:{{{NGender|}}}}}|yes|bgcolor="#00B000"|bgcolor="#B00000"}} | '''Gender'''
|-
<noinclude>
[[Category: Templates]]{{Documentation}}</noinclude>

Template:Ox-Word

2012-05-26T19:44:09Z

Conlang:

:''See also [[wiktionary:{{{word|}}}|{{{word|}}}]]''
{{lang|Owaex}}
===Etymology===
{{{origin|No origin.}}}
===Pronouncation===
{{pron|IPA|{{Ox-IPA|{{{word|noone}}}}}}}
{{#switch: {{lc: {{{type|}}} }}
| pro = {{pronoun}}
| n = {{noun}}
| v = {{verb}}
| #default = {{noun}}
}}
{{pronoun}} 
{{infl|rg}} 
{{countable}} {{def|{{{def1|}}}|{{{def2|}}}|{{{def3|}}}}}

====Writen====
In owaex, {{{word|noone}}} is written like:

{{Ox-Scr|{{#replace:{{{word|noone}}}|ʈ|T}}}}
{{{====Synonyms====synonyms|}}}
===Translations===

{{trans-top2|{{{def1|}}} {{{; def2|}}}{{{ ;def3|}}}}}
{{trans|{{{transLang|}}}|{{{transWord|}}}}}
{{trans-mid}}
{{trans|{{{transLang2|}}}|{{{transWord2|}}}}}
{{trans-bottom}}
====Derived terms====
{{{====Related terms====relate|}}}

<noinclude>
{{Documentation}}
</noinclude><noinclude>
[[Category:Templates]][[Category:Owaex templates]]</noinclude>

Template:Ox-Scr

2012-05-26T19:06:14Z

Conlang:

{{
#vardefine: word | {{{1|}}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|zh|r}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|h|-h\}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|r|zh}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|T|-t\}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{lc:{{#var:word}} }}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|zh|Z}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|e|\e}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|a|\a}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|oo|u}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|n|\n}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|hw| [[File:Owae\xHw.png‎]]}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|tw| [[File:Owae\xTw.png‎]]}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|-t\w| [[File:Owae\x-tw.png‎]]}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|\nw| [[File:Owae\xNw.png‎]]}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|\aw| [[File:Owae\xAw.png‎]]}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|uw| [[File:Owae\xUw.png‎]]}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|iw| IW}} 
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|hx| [[File:Owae\xHx.png‎]]}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|tx| [[File:Owae\xTx.png‎]]}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|-tw| [[File:Owae\x-tx.png‎]]}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|\nx| [[File:Owae\xNx.png‎]]}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|\ex| [[File:OwaexEx.png‎]]}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|ix| IX}} 
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|hZ| [[File:OwaexHZ.png‎]]}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|tZ| [[File:OwaexTZ.png‎]]}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|-t\Z| [[File:Owaex-tZ.png‎]]}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|nZ| [[File:OwaexNZ.png‎]]}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|\aZ| [[File:OwaexAZ.png‎]]}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|uZ| [[File:OwaexUZ.png‎]]}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|eZ| [[File:OwaexEZ.png‎]]}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|iZ| IZH}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|-t\|T}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|-h\|C}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|\e| [[File:Owae\xE.png‎]]}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|\a| [[File:Owae\xA.png‎]]}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|h| [[File:Owae\xH.png‎]]}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|C| [[File:Owae\x-h.png‎]]}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|t/| [[File:Owae\xT.png‎]]}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|T| [[File:Owae\x-t.png‎]]}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|\n| [[File:Owae\xN.png‎]]}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|u| [[File:Owae\xU.png‎]]}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|i| I}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|\n|n}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|\e|e}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|\|}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|Z|zh}}
}}{{#var:word}}<noinclude>
{{Documentation}}
</noinclude><noinclude>
[[Category:Templates]][[Category:Owaex templates]]</noinclude>

IPA for Owaex

2012-05-24T22:11:33Z

Conlang: Created page with "The charts below show the way in which the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA) represents Owaex pronunciations. {{IPA keys}} {..."

The charts below show the way in which the [[wikipedia:International Phonetic Alphabet|International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)]] represents [[Owaex]] pronunciations.
{{IPA keys}}
{| style="background: none"
|-
| valign="top" |

{| style="background: none"
|-
| valign="top" |
{| class="IPA wikitable"
![[wikipedia:Wikipedia:IPA|IPA]] !! Examples !! nearest English equivalent
|-
! colspan=4| [[wikipedia:Consonant|Consonants]]
|-
|align="center" |<big>n</big>
| nwah
| '''N'''ice
|-
|align="center" |<big>{{Ox-IPA|H}}</big>
| H{{Ox-IPA|T}}a
|
|-
|align="center" |<big>h</big>
| nwah
| '''H'''ole
|-
|align="center" |<big>t</big>
| tezh{{Ox-IPA|T}}
| '''T'''ime
|-
|align="center" |<big>ʈ</big>
| H{{Ox-IPA|T}}a
|
|}
| valign="top" |
{| class="IPA wikitable"
![[wikipedia:Wikipedia:IPA|IPA]] !! Examples !! nearest English equivalent
|-
! colspan="3"| [[wikipedia:Vowel|Vowels]]
|-
|align="center" |<big>a</big>
|H{{Ox-IPA|T}}a
|H'''a'''nd
|-
|align="center" |<big>e</big>
|tezh{{Ox-IPA|T}}
|B'''e'''d
|-
|align="center" |<big>u</big>
|tuzh{{Ox-IPA|T}}
|P'''oo'''l
|-
|align="center" |<big>ɪ</big>
|Hinzha
|H'''i'''ll
|-
!colspan=3| [[wikipedia:Stress (linguistics)|Stress]]
|-
|align="center" |<big>ˈ</big>
| colspan=2|Primary stress
|-
|align="center" |<big>ˌ</big>
|colspan=2|Secondary stress
|}
|}
|}
[[Category:Languages]]
[[Category:Conlangs]]

Template:Ox-IPA

2012-05-24T21:58:03Z

Conlang:

{{
#vardefine: word | {{{1|}}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|H|ħ}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|T|ʈ}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{lc:{{#var:word}} }}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|hʈ|hˌʈ}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|ħʈ|ħˌʈ}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|tʈ|tˌʈ}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|ʈʈ|ʈˌʈ}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|nʈ|nˌʈ}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|ʈh|ʈˌh}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|ʈħ|ʈˌħ}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|ʈt|ʈˌt}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|ʈn|ʈˌn}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|ʈz|ʈˌz}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|aa|aˌa:}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|ae|aˌe:}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|oo|u}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|au|aˌu:}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|ai|aˌi:}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|ea|eˌa:}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|ee|eˌe:}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|eu|eˌu:}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|ei|eˌi:}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|ua|uˌa:}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|ue|uˌe:}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|uu|uˌu:}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|ui|uˌi:}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|ia|iˌa:}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|ie|iˌe:}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|iu|iˌu:}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|ii|iˌi:}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|i|ɪ}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|zh|ʒ}}
}}{{#vardefine: word | {{#replace:{{#var:word}}|x|k⁀s}}
}}{{#var:word}}<noinclude>
{{Documentation}}
</noinclude><noinclude>
[[Category:Templates]][[Category:Owaex templates]]</noinclude>

Template:Calc/headness

2012-05-23T23:56:20Z

Conlang:

{{
#vardefine: step | {{#expr:100/7}}
}}{{
#vardefine: percent | 0
}}{{
#switch: {{lc: {{{adjective|}}} }}
| final = {{
#vardefine: percent | {{#expr:{{#var:percent}}+{{#var:step}} }}
}}
| mixed = {{
#vardefine: percent | {{#expr:{{#var:percent}}+{{#var:step}}/2 }}
}}
| initial = {{
#vardefine: percent | {{#expr:{{#var:percent}} }}
}}
| #default = {{
#vardefine: percent | {{#expr:{{#var:percent}} }}
}}
}}{{
#switch: {{lc: {{{article|}}} }}
| final = {{
#vardefine: percent | {{#expr:{{#var:percent}}+{{#var:step}} }}
}}
| mixed = {{
#vardefine: percent | {{#expr:{{#var:percent}}+{{#var:step}}/2 }}
}}
| initial = {{
#vardefine: percent | {{#expr:{{#var:percent}} }}
}}
| #default = {{
#vardefine: percent | {{#expr:{{#var:percent}} }}
}}
}}{{
#switch: {{lc: {{{adposition|}}} }}
| final = {{
#vardefine: percent | {{#expr:{{#var:percent}}+{{#var:step}} }}
}}
| mixed = {{
#vardefine: percent | {{#expr:{{#var:percent}}+{{#var:step}}/2 }}
}}
| initial = {{
#vardefine: percent | {{#expr:{{#var:percent}} }}
}}
| #default = {{
#vardefine: percent | {{#expr:{{#var:percent}} }}
}}
}}{{
#switch: {{lc: {{{relativeclause|}}} }}
| final = {{
#vardefine: percent | {{#expr:{{#var:percent}}+{{#var:step}} }}
}}
| mixed = {{
#vardefine: percent | {{#expr:{{#var:percent}}+{{#var:step}}/2 }}
}}
| initial = {{
#vardefine: percent | {{#expr:{{#var:percent}} }}
}}
| #default = {{
#vardefine: percent | {{#expr:{{#var:percent}} }}
}}
}}{{
#switch: {{lc: {{{nounclause|}}} }}
| final = {{
#vardefine: percent | {{#expr:{{#var:percent}}+{{#var:step}} }}
}}
| mixed = {{
#vardefine: percent | {{#expr:{{#var:percent}}+{{#var:step}}/2 }}
}}
| initial = {{
#vardefine: percent | {{#expr:{{#var:percent}} }}
}}
| #default = {{
#vardefine: percent | {{#expr:{{#var:percent}} }}
}}
}}{{
#switch: {{lc: {{{adverb|}}} }}
| final = {{
#vardefine: percent | {{#expr:{{#var:percent}}+{{#var:step}} }}
}}
| mixed = {{
#vardefine: percent | {{#expr:{{#var:percent}}+{{#var:step}}/2 }}
}}
| initial = {{
#vardefine: percent | {{#expr:{{#var:percent}} }}
}}
| #default = {{
#vardefine: percent | {{#expr:{{#var:percent}} }}
}}
}}{{
#switch: {{lc: {{{order|}}} }}
| sov = {{
#vardefine: percent | {{#expr:{{#var:percent}}+{{#var:step}} }}
}}
| svo = {{
#vardefine: percent | {{#expr:{{#var:percent}}+{{#var:step}}*4/5 }}
}}
| vso= {{
#vardefine: percent | {{#expr:{{#var:percent}}+{{#var:step}}*3/5 }}
}}
| osv= {{
#vardefine: percent | {{#expr:{{#var:percent}}+{{#var:step}}*2/5 }}
}}
| ovs= {{
#vardefine: percent | {{#expr:{{#var:percent}}+{{#var:step}}*1/5 }}
}}
| vos= {{
#vardefine: percent | {{#expr:{{#var:percent}} }}
}}
| #default = {{
#vardefine: percent | {{#expr:{{#var:percent}} }}
}}
}}{{
#vardefine: percent | {{#expr:trunc{{#var:percent}} }}
}}{{#var:percent}}<noinclude>
{{Documentation}}
[[Category:templates]]

Adpositions
Articles
Adjectives
Word Order
RelativeClause
NounClause
Adverb
</noinclude>