Noirese - Revision history

Fueyes at 18:16, 9 September 2025

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	'''Noirese''' or '''Navese''' (also formerly known colloquially or even offensively as ''baule'', a word meaning "babble") is an [[w:Occitano-Romance languages\|Occitano-Romance]] language spoken in some towns and municipalities of [[w:Asturias\|Asturias]], [[w:Spain\|Spain]], as a minority language. Although today it is a endangered language, it was formerly spoken in a bigger area and as an administrative language locally. Due to having lost most of its speakers and areas to Asturian and Spanish during the last two centuries, it is today spoken in a very small area with few dialectal variation. Nonetheless there are some differences between the Northern or Norennan, Southern and Western. There are also at least two other dialects recorded but now extinct, ''Paradés'' and ''Ceiés'' that went extinct during the first part of the 20th century. The decline of the language was in part due to mass migration to Florida, Cuba and other areas of the Caribbean from the late 18th century to the early 20th century, which also brought the language to those places. The "American" dialect of Noirese is spoken in a couple of counties in Florida as a heritage language and more extensively in areas of northern Cuba.		'''Noirese''' or '''Navese''' (also formerly known colloquially or even offensively as ''baule'', a word meaning "babble") is an [[w:Occitano-Romance languages\|Occitano-Romance]] language spoken in some towns and municipalities of [[w:Asturias\|Asturias]], [[w:Spain\|Spain]], as a minority language. Although today it is a endangered language, it was formerly spoken in a bigger area and as an administrative language locally. Due to having lost most of its speakers and areas to Asturian and Spanish during the last two centuries, it is today spoken in a very small area with few dialectal variation. Nonetheless there are some differences between the Northern or Norennan, Southern and Western. There are also at least two other dialects recorded but now extinct, ''Paradés'' and ''Ceiés'' that went extinct during the first part of the 20th century. The decline of the language was in part due to mass migration to Florida, Cuba and other areas of the Caribbean from the late 18th century to the early 20th century, which also brought the language to those places. The "American" dialect of Noirese is spoken in a couple of counties in Florida as a heritage language and more extensively in areas of northern Cuba.

	Its origin is mysterious but many propose it would have originated from the pilgrims of the [[w:Way of St. James\|Way of St. James]], among which [[w:Old Provençal\|Old Provençal]] or Occitan was an important language, probably some sort of lingua franca among them. Although Noirese is descendant of some variety of [[w:Old Occitan\|Old Occitan]], it has recieved a big influence from the surrounding language, [[w:Asturleonese language\|Asturleonese]] and some from [[w:Dutch language\|Dutch]], [[w:German language\|German]], [[w:Polish language\|Polish]] and [[w:Silesian language\|Silesian]], on account of engineers and migrants that came to the Noirese-speaking lands in the 19th and early 20th century to work in the foreign-owned mines and [[w:French language\|French]], [[w:Italian language\|Italian]], [[w:English language\|English]] and others due to the aforementioned Way of St. James. The American dialect has further influence from US English and Caribbean Spanish (eg: standard ''veitüra'' "car", american ''carr'').		Its origin is mysterious but many propose it would have originated from the pilgrims of the [[w:Way of St. James\|Way of St. James]], among which [[w:Old Provençal\|Old Provençal]] or Occitan was an important language, probably some sort of lingua franca among them. Although Noirese is descendant of some variety of [[w:Old Occitan\|Old Occitan]], it has recieved a big influence from the surrounding language, [[w:Asturleonese language\|Asturleonese]] and some from [[w:Dutch language\|Dutch]], [[w:German language\|German]], [[w:Polish language\|Polish]] and [[w:Silesian language\|Silesian]], on account of engineers and migrants that came to the Noirese-speaking lands in the 19th and early 20th century to work in the foreign-owned mines and [[w:French language\|French]], [[w:Italian language\|Italian]], [[w:English language\|English]] and others due to the aforementioned Way of St. James. The American dialect has further influence from US English and Caribbean Spanish (eg: standard ''veitüra'' "car", american ''carr''). The medieval version of Noirese is known as [[Old Navese]] and is attested since the 12th century in local administration and troubadoresque literature.

	A [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_IligOItIDOWITZ0e1HXPolhWx_QQYS5cFlyswas5Ys/edit?usp=sharing Noirese-Spanish Dictionary] exists and a general grammar is being composed.		A [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_IligOItIDOWITZ0e1HXPolhWx_QQYS5cFlyswas5Ys/edit?usp=sharing Noirese-Spanish Dictionary] exists and a general grammar is being composed.

Fueyes at 18:14, 9 September 2025

2025-09-09T18:14:21Z

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	\|dia2 = Southern (''Meridionel'')		\|dia2 = Southern (''Meridionel'')
	\|dia3 = Western (''Ocidentel'')		\|dia3 = Western (''Ocidentel'')
			\|dia4 = American (''Mericán'')
	\|stand1 = Southern		\|stand1 = Southern
	\|script1 = Latin		\|script1 = Latin
	\|agency = Concelh da Lenga (unofficialy)		\|agency = Concelh da Lenga (unofficialy)
	\|nation = nowhere		\|nation = nowhere
	\|minority = recognized by the "Act of Use and Promotion of Navan" (1998) as a protected minority language in Asturias (Spain)		\|minority = recognized by the "Act of Use and Promotion of Navan" (1998) as a protected minority language in [[w:Asturias\|Asturias]] (Spain), and as a historical minority language of [[w:Florida\|Florida]] and [[w:Cuba\|Cuba]].
	}}		}}


	'''Noirese''' or '''Navese''' (also formerly known colloquially or even offensively as ''baule'', a word meaning "babble") is an [[w:Occitano-Romance languages\|Occitano-Romance]] language spoken in some towns and municipalities of [[w:Asturias\|Asturias]], [[w:Spain\|Spain]], as a minority language. Although today it is a endangered language, it was formerly spoken in a bigger area and as an administrative language locally. Due to having lost most of its speakers and areas to Asturian and Spanish during the last two centuries, it is today spoken in a very small area with few dialectal variation. Nonetheless there are some differences between the Northern or Norennan, Southern and Western. There are also at least two other dialects recorded but now extinct, ''Paradés'' and ''Ceiés'' that went extinct during the first part of the 20th century.		'''Noirese''' or '''Navese''' (also formerly known colloquially or even offensively as ''baule'', a word meaning "babble") is an [[w:Occitano-Romance languages\|Occitano-Romance]] language spoken in some towns and municipalities of [[w:Asturias\|Asturias]], [[w:Spain\|Spain]], as a minority language. Although today it is a endangered language, it was formerly spoken in a bigger area and as an administrative language locally. Due to having lost most of its speakers and areas to Asturian and Spanish during the last two centuries, it is today spoken in a very small area with few dialectal variation. Nonetheless there are some differences between the Northern or Norennan, Southern and Western. There are also at least two other dialects recorded but now extinct, ''Paradés'' and ''Ceiés'' that went extinct during the first part of the 20th century. The decline of the language was in part due to mass migration to Florida, Cuba and other areas of the Caribbean from the late 18th century to the early 20th century, which also brought the language to those places. The "American" dialect of Noirese is spoken in a couple of counties in Florida as a heritage language and more extensively in areas of northern Cuba.

	Its origin is mysterious but many propose it would have originated from the pilgrims of the [[w:Way of St. James\|Way of St. James]], among which [[w:Old Provençal\|Old Provençal]] or Occitan was an important language, probably some sort of lingua franca among them. Although Noirese is descendant of some variety of [[w:Old Occitan\|Old Occitan]], it has recieved a big influence from the surrounding language, [[w:Asturleonese language\|Asturleonese]] and some from [[w:Dutch language\|Dutch]], [[w:German language\|German]], [[w:Polish language\|Polish]] and [[w:Silesian language\|Silesian]], on account of engineers and migrants that came to the Noirese-speaking lands in the 19th and early 20th century to work in the foreign-owned mines and [[w:French language\|French]], [[w:Italian language\|Italian]], [[w:English language\|English]] and others due to the aforementioned Way of St. James.		Its origin is mysterious but many propose it would have originated from the pilgrims of the [[w:Way of St. James\|Way of St. James]], among which [[w:Old Provençal\|Old Provençal]] or Occitan was an important language, probably some sort of lingua franca among them. Although Noirese is descendant of some variety of [[w:Old Occitan\|Old Occitan]], it has recieved a big influence from the surrounding language, [[w:Asturleonese language\|Asturleonese]] and some from [[w:Dutch language\|Dutch]], [[w:German language\|German]], [[w:Polish language\|Polish]] and [[w:Silesian language\|Silesian]], on account of engineers and migrants that came to the Noirese-speaking lands in the 19th and early 20th century to work in the foreign-owned mines and [[w:French language\|French]], [[w:Italian language\|Italian]], [[w:English language\|English]] and others due to the aforementioned Way of St. James. The American dialect has further influence from US English and Caribbean Spanish (eg: standard ''veitüra'' "car", american ''carr'').

	A [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_IligOItIDOWITZ0e1HXPolhWx_QQYS5cFlyswas5Ys/edit?usp=sharing Noirese-Spanish Dictionary] exists and a general grammar is being composed.		A [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_IligOItIDOWITZ0e1HXPolhWx_QQYS5cFlyswas5Ys/edit?usp=sharing Noirese-Spanish Dictionary] exists and a general grammar is being composed.

Fueyes at 18:07, 9 September 2025

2025-09-09T18:07:04Z

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	'''Noirese''' or '''Navese''' (also formerly known colloquially or even offensively as ''baule'', a word meaning "babble") is an [[w:Occitano-Romance languages\|Occitano-Romance]] language spoken in some towns and municipalities of [[w:Asturias\|Asturias]], [[w:Spain\|Spain]], as a minority language. Although today it is a endangered language, it was formerly spoken in a bigger area and as an administrative language locally. Due to having lost most of its speakers and areas to Asturian and Spanish during the last two centuries, it is today spoken in a very small area with few dialectal variation. Nonetheless there are some differences between the Northern or Norennan, Southern and Western. There are also at least two other dialects recorded but now extinct, ''Paradés'' and ''Ceiés'' that went extinct during the first part of the 20th century.		'''Noirese''' or '''Navese''' (also formerly known colloquially or even offensively as ''baule'', a word meaning "babble") is an [[w:Occitano-Romance languages\|Occitano-Romance]] language spoken in some towns and municipalities of [[w:Asturias\|Asturias]], [[w:Spain\|Spain]], as a minority language. Although today it is a endangered language, it was formerly spoken in a bigger area and as an administrative language locally. Due to having lost most of its speakers and areas to Asturian and Spanish during the last two centuries, it is today spoken in a very small area with few dialectal variation. Nonetheless there are some differences between the Northern or Norennan, Southern and Western. There are also at least two other dialects recorded but now extinct, ''Paradés'' and ''Ceiés'' that went extinct during the first part of the 20th century.

	Its origin is mysterious but many propose it would have originated from the pilgrims of the [[w:Way of St. James\|Way of St. James]], among which [[w:Old Provençal\|Old Provençal]] or Occitan was an important language, probably some sort of lingua franca among them. Although Noirese is descendant of some variety of [[w:Old Occitan\|Old Occitan]], it has recieved a big influence from the surrounding language, [[w:Asturleonese language\|Asturleonese]] and some from [[w:Dutch language\|Dutch]], [[w:German language\|German]], [[w:Polish language\|Polish]] and [[w:Silesian language\|Silesian]], on account of engineers and migrants that came to the Noirese-speaking lands in the 19th and early 20th century to work in the foreign-owned mines.		Its origin is mysterious but many propose it would have originated from the pilgrims of the [[w:Way of St. James\|Way of St. James]], among which [[w:Old Provençal\|Old Provençal]] or Occitan was an important language, probably some sort of lingua franca among them. Although Noirese is descendant of some variety of [[w:Old Occitan\|Old Occitan]], it has recieved a big influence from the surrounding language, [[w:Asturleonese language\|Asturleonese]] and some from [[w:Dutch language\|Dutch]], [[w:German language\|German]], [[w:Polish language\|Polish]] and [[w:Silesian language\|Silesian]], on account of engineers and migrants that came to the Noirese-speaking lands in the 19th and early 20th century to work in the foreign-owned mines and [[w:French language\|French]], [[w:Italian language\|Italian]], [[w:English language\|English]] and others due to the aforementioned Way of St. James.

	A [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_IligOItIDOWITZ0e1HXPolhWx_QQYS5cFlyswas5Ys/edit?usp=sharing Noirese-Spanish Dictionary] exists and a general grammar is being composed.		A [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_IligOItIDOWITZ0e1HXPolhWx_QQYS5cFlyswas5Ys/edit?usp=sharing Noirese-Spanish Dictionary] exists and a general grammar is being composed.
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{{Infobox language
|name = Noirese
|nativename = navés, noirés, baule, romanç naván
|pronunciation = naˈβes, nojˈɾes, ˈbawlə, roˈmans̺ naˈβɑ̃
|state = Spain
|setting = Alt-history, [[w:Iberia|Iberia]]
|created = 2015
|familycolor=Indo-European
|fam2=[[w:Italic languages|Italic]]
|fam3=[[w:Romance languages|Romance]]
|fam4=[[w:Western Romance languages|Western Romance]]
|fam5=[[w:Occitano-Romance languages|Occitano-Romance]]
|creator = fueyes
|dia1 = Northern (''Nordés'')
|dia2 = Southern (''Meridionel'')
|dia3 = Western (''Ocidentel'')
|stand1 = Southern
|script1 = Latin
|agency = Concelh da Lenga (unofficialy)
|nation = nowhere
|minority = recognized by the "Act of Use and Promotion of Navan" (1998) as a protected minority language in Asturias (Spain)
}}

'''Noirese''' or '''Navese''' (also formerly known colloquially or even offensively as ''baule'', a word meaning "babble") is an [[w:Occitano-Romance languages|Occitano-Romance]] language spoken in some towns and municipalities of [[w:Asturias|Asturias]], [[w:Spain|Spain]], as a minority language. Although today it is a endangered language, it was formerly spoken in a bigger area and as an administrative language locally. Due to having lost most of its speakers and areas to Asturian and Spanish during the last two centuries, it is today spoken in a very small area with few dialectal variation. Nonetheless there are some differences between the Northern or Norennan, Southern and Western. There are also at least two other dialects recorded but now extinct, ''Paradés'' and ''Ceiés'' that went extinct during the first part of the 20th century.

Its origin is mysterious but many propose it would have originated from the pilgrims of the [[w:Way of St. James|Way of St. James]], among which [[w:Old Provençal|Old Provençal]] or Occitan was an important language, probably some sort of lingua franca among them. Although Noirese is descendant of some variety of [[w:Old Occitan|Old Occitan]], it has recieved a big influence from the surrounding language, [[w:Asturleonese language|Asturleonese]] and some from [[w:Dutch language|Dutch]], [[w:German language|German]], [[w:Polish language|Polish]] and [[w:Silesian language|Silesian]], on account of engineers and migrants that came to the Noirese-speaking lands in the 19th and early 20th century to work in the foreign-owned mines.

A [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_IligOItIDOWITZ0e1HXPolhWx_QQYS5cFlyswas5Ys/edit?usp=sharing Noirese-Spanish Dictionary] exists and a general grammar is being composed.

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[[Category:Italic languages]]