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The '''Second Mover''' ([[Eevo]]: ''Sehd Arn''; [[Clofabosin]]: ''ribilzavudan'') is a central [[Talma|Talman]] spiritual concept representing creativity, agency and moral good within humans. The belief states that we humans are responsible for "creation" and formulating rules, where "God has left off", even when no one is telling us what to do. This set of beliefs associated with this, often called '''Ngronaism''' (/ɪŋˈroʊneɪsm/ ''ing-ROH-nay-zum'', [[Eevo]]: ''Ŋronaivih'' /ˈŋrɔnaivih/), serves as the civic religion of Talman and Talman-derived societies. There is a caveat, though: Ngronaism is, often, less a set of beliefs than a set of common symbols, language, and rituals.
'''Ngedhraism''' (''ing-ED-ra-ism'', [[Eevo]]: ''Ñeðraivih'' /ˈŋrɔnaivih/, [[Windermere]]: ''Thăngop Ngethrea'' 'Ngeðra religion', [[Clofabosin]]: ''Gedravatran'' 'Ngedhra-faith') is a religion founded by Anbirese former ''pida'' ([[Verse:Tricin/Mărotłism|Mărotłite]] religious teacher) Emisom Anjeodgan.  


Ngronaism recognizes that narratives are important - in modern Ngronaism, efforts are made to construct narratives that approach truth. [Immeska]
Ngedhraism is a monolatrous faith; it worships the Second Mover ([[Eevo]]: ''a Nwtxáh Arn''; a concept borrowed from Mărotłism) as a goddess named Ngedhra (Eevo: ''Ñeðra''). It does not see the Second Mover merely as a force acting within the human mind, unlike Mărotłism. Ngedhra is loving towards all sentient beings and seeks to liberate them from this world. It is said that Ngedhra opposes the First Mover, a demiurge who created the current world with all the evil and suffering therein, and that she will eventually defeat the First Mover and usher in her paradise where all beings will rejoice in her love, radiance and beauty.
==Ideas==
A rough timeline:
*After the Calamities, Talman classical philosophy realized need for technology including social technology
*A period much like the Warring States period, with competing philosophies sponsored by warlords and citystates
*One of these philosophies win out and dominate Talma for a long time
**it happens to be a Lăcoaf philosophy; responsible for Lăcoaf as a classical language
*Then Grouid the revolutionary comes along
 
Some riffing on ideas:
*(It's OK for religions with anthropomorphic gods to have contradictions. In that case it's preferable to reduce the gods' role, though.)
*Folk religion could do something vaguely Christian in its themes. 2nd mover is much more anthropomorphic and the only reason that the 2nd Mover is so friendly to humans is that she herself was once a human. Well, the 2nd Mover is already quite human and limited. Would resonate with some people who only trust people who had suffered like them.
*"Mărotłians on the outside, Machiavellians on the inside"


==History==
==History==
The concept of the Second Mover admits multiple different interpretations. Generally, however, the Second Mover is seen as the force of progress - be it scientific or social/moral progress.
===Anjeodgan===
[[Anbirese]] ''pida'' Emisom Anjeodgan was inspired by old Second Mover writings for his own idea of the Second Mover: He drew up an old Talmic goddess "Ngedhra" (Eevo: ''Ñeðra'', Anbirese: ''Ngeseo'', from hypothetical [[Tigol]] ''*Ñeðrae'', from [[Thensarian]] ''Ȝronaeae''), and claimed that she was the Second Mover according to the correct interpretation of the texts. The First Mover, on the other hand, was an illegitimate demiurge who kept humans in the prison full of death and suffering, and our only salvation was to break out of the prison by any means necessary. Because of its promise of universal salvation by faith, Ngedhraism gained widespread popular appeal when it was founded.


In one sense, historical beliefs about the Second Mover are analogous to henotheism - there were many gods but only one god, namely the Second Mover, was worthy of worship.
==Basic tenets==
===Origin===
===Ngedhra's Vows===
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The Book of Vows is one of the texts authored by Anjeodgan.
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|quote=Placeholder for early reference to Ȝronaeae as the 2nd Mover.
|source=The Sondmorið Texts (in Thensarian), fT 341
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The "Second Mover" concept began as a goddess of mathematics and the arts, called Ȝronaeae (Old Eevo Ŋronae; modern Eevo ''Ŋrone'') in Old Eevo texts. Ancient Thensarian pagans saw a duality (i.e. an opposite but complementary relationship) between nature and human endeavors such as science, mathematics and the arts. The creator god, the First Mover, created nature; Ȝronaeae, the Second Mover, then helps humans analyze and create. Ancient sources disagree on which god created humans or gave humans specifically human qualities - some attribute this creation or "ensoulment" of humans to the Second Mover. However, it is important to note that Second Mover in early Talmic religion played a more active role in physical domains "near" humans such as harvest, weather, or governance than in later Talman thought.
 
===Warring philosophies===
A series of natural disasters and outbreaks, known as the ___ Calamities, set off social instability as well as eroding trust in institutions. The disasters had taught the Talmans that the natural order was not to be trusted; thus the Second Mover took center place in Talman symbolism and became the symbol of good against evil. However, during this time of strife it was difficult to trust other humans as much as it was difficult to trust nature. Exactly how the Second Mover operated and "moved" humans became a matter of heated debate among philosophers. Thus arose various competing philosophical doctrines dealing with 1) how individuals should live and 2) how society should be structured.
 
Amid the chaos, many nobles and warlords vied for hegemony. In the process they sponsored philosophies that would benefit their kingdom. The philosophies included:
 
*(Mohism analogue/Idealism: "Universal love!")
*Formalism/Legalism (Windermere: ''Răweat Hăma''?)
*A radically individualistic philosophy
*Quasi-Buddhism?
*Mărotłianism (Eevo: ''Myrótxvih''), typically associated with Windermere philosopher rith Mărotł (Eevo: ''rið Myrótx''). Perhaps Marotlianism is a syncretistic mix of Talmic and Windermere religions.
 
===Medieval philosophy===
Mărotłianism was eventually the ideology to win out. As the Windermere Empire consolidated its power, Mărotłians rapidly took control of institutions in Talma, except in a few remote holdouts such as Nūrei. With the unification of the Lăcoaf Empire, Mărotłianism became the state ideology. Various smaller states that were not absorbed by the empire (such as the Tigolian states, the precursors to the modern Talmic-speaking countries Sgewla and Amphir) would become tributary states.
 
Early Mărotłians sought to create a humanist ideology. They attempted to justify these tenets and laws by saying they were given by [God? Heaven? Second Mover?]. Unfortunately, over time Mărotłianism became very dogmatic and micromanaging, and more often than not was a hypocritical front for power-hungry elites.
 
Snialism, a mystical form of Ngronaism, also arose during this period as a reaction to the dominant ideology.
 
===Early modern Ngronaism===
Emisom Grouid was inspired by old Second Mover writings for his own idea of the Second Mover, to formulate what he believed was the most true religion/philosophy.


anyway the idea is that sticking to tradition is against the will of the 2nd mover - this is where Grouid kinda introduces manichean dualism
===Completion of the Book===
regardless of what god or anyone tells or you you should do, the second mover is what has the final say
Ngedhraists hold that Ngedhra has already completed the list of all the laws that apply to humanity, as proven and told by her prophet Anjeodgan. The authority of the Imθumăytil and the Mărotłite pidaic law is hence null and void. The laws are:
#Do not murder
#Do not slaughter
#Do not rape
#...


this is close to praveen's original idea
According to the Book of Vows, it suffices to express faith in Ngedhra's salvation and to endeavor to follow this complete set of laws for one to meet the goddess immediately upon death:


as i remember it
:''Should I, Ngedhra, fail to grant eternal life and companionship with me to anyone who has called upon my name with intention and pursued to follow my law, immediately upon his death, may I be stripped of my godhood.''


the god to follow regardless of whether there is a god
===Dietary restrictions===
Anjeodgan loosened many Mărotłian religious laws, for example lifting the ban on eating land vertebrate meat.


Grouid might have taken inspiration from ancient 2nd mover writings
However, some of his followers went even more hardline on vegetarianism, prohibiting all animal products that required killing the animal; they believed that Ngedhra's law implies a ban on all "slaughter" of all animals.


Basically Grouid's writings could be described as "sci-fi without the tech aesthetic." A lot of it is quasi-mystical woo; Snialist influence is evident in his language. But he got the idea behind modern Ngronaism - a vision of concrete progress and transcendence. Grouid would definitely have been ''influenced'' by Snialism in any case.
===Ngedhra's arrival===
 
It is believed that someday Ngedhra will kill the First Mover and institute her reign in all the realms including the human one. The dead will be revived, souls languishing in hells will be released, and Ngedhra will transform evildoers into righteous people. Human society itself will become a utopia.  
===Industrialization and communism===
===Contemporary Ngronaism===
Basically transhumanism
 
==Basic tenets==
===''Zicyreexúr''===
The concept of ''zicyreexúr'' is a principle of nonviolence, analogous to ''ahiṃsa'' in Dharmic religions. (The [[Eevo]] word ''zicyreexúr'', from [[Windermere]] ''și·căreałür'', means 'nonviolence' or 'non-aggression'.) Traditionally, ''zicyreexúr'' allows violence in self-defense or as a punishment for violence - the reasoning was that violence is so serious that it should be discouraged by any means necessary. There has been much debate among Ngronaist thinkers on exactly how much retributive violence is justified.
==Historical controversies==
===Problem of conflict===
The problem of conflict, which asks: why is there conflict among humans, if there is one entity that represents humans? This is analogous to the problem of evil in western theism.


=="Canon"==
To hasten Ngedhra's arrival one must do good deeds (by obeying her law) and refrain from evil deeds: Ngedhra will arrive when humanity's collective karma (good karma can cancel out bad karma) goes above a certain  unrevealed threshold.
In a sense, Ngronaism has an "open source" textual canon which allows additions. Thinkers from different time periods and environments have their own interpretations, though often informed by previous ones, on what exactly the philosophy entails about how humans ought to live.
===Ancient texts===
*The ''Sondmorið Manuscripts'' ([[Eevo]]: /ˈsɔntmɔrið/) are a collection of [[Thensarian]]- and [[Tigol]]-language manuscripts found in the Sondmorið caves. Among other things, they give a mythological account of human nature and origins. Devotional poems are also included.


===Classical texts===
==In society==
*The ''Ngăthoar'' ([[Windermere]]: /ŋəˈðoər/, meaning "investigations") is a [[Windermere]]-language text which depicts philosophers discussing and debating various moral and philosophical topics. Most surviving copies have been edited from a Mărotłian viewpoint. The ''Ngăthoar'' was traditionally required reading in Etalocian schools.
In Modern Wen Dămea, religion is traditionally a class marker:
*The working class are Ngedhraists.
*The middle to upper classes are Mărotłites.


===Modern texts===
==Textual canon==
===Contemporary texts===
Ngedhraism shares with Mărotłism the Tigol canon, the Foranloíd, but uses translated texts unlike Mărotłism. Thus Ngedhraist terminology in Talmic languages is commonly derived by evolving the original Tigol word with regular sound changes leading to the Talmic language in question.


==Symbols and rituals==
==Symbols and rituals==
Ngronaism uses symbols, allegories, myths and rituals copiously, many of them of syncretistic origin; however, it emphasizes that these are allegories and myth, designed for absorption by the limited human mind.
Ngedhraism uses symbols, allegories, myths and rituals copiously, many of them of syncretistic origin.
===Holidays===
*Spring Equinox/arrival of spring
*Summer solstice festival
*''Crifahd'' in September
*''Sdatnsa'' = 6 months after Easter
*Winter solstice (Eevo: ''Bwrjadreeg''; Clofabosin: ''lagavulin''): A solstice festival where, among other things, they sing songs hoping for a "brighter" future.
[Holidays based on historical events and myths]
 
[TODO: dishes associated with the holidays]
====Spring Equinox====
For the Spring Equinox holiday, there are foods that use lightly-flavored mushrooms, along with other spring herbs and other "bright"/tart-flavored ingredients.
====Bwrjadreeg====
Falling on Llavw 1-6, it is an expansive holiday which emphasizes resolve to survive and live, remembrance of those who have died, as well as hope for a future better than now.
 
===Life cycle events===
===Life cycle events===


==Monasticism==
==Contemporary Ngedhraism==
Universities often serve a role similar to monasteries where the "monks" help out with research projects. In fact many Talman universities began as monasteries.
anyway the idea is that sticking to tradition is against the will of the 2nd mover - this is where Jeodgan kinda introduces manichean dualism
regardless of what god or anyone tells or you you should do, the second mover is what has the final say


==Distribution==
the god to follow regardless of whether there is a god
 
==Variants==
:''Main article: [[Verse:Tricin/Snialism]]

Latest revision as of 19:47, 25 January 2023

Ngedhraism (ing-ED-ra-ism, Eevo: Ñeðraivih /ˈŋrɔnaivih/, Windermere: Thăngop Ngethrea 'Ngeðra religion', Clofabosin: Gedravatran 'Ngedhra-faith') is a religion founded by Anbirese former pida (Mărotłite religious teacher) Emisom Anjeodgan.

Ngedhraism is a monolatrous faith; it worships the Second Mover (Eevo: a Nwtxáh Arn; a concept borrowed from Mărotłism) as a goddess named Ngedhra (Eevo: Ñeðra). It does not see the Second Mover merely as a force acting within the human mind, unlike Mărotłism. Ngedhra is loving towards all sentient beings and seeks to liberate them from this world. It is said that Ngedhra opposes the First Mover, a demiurge who created the current world with all the evil and suffering therein, and that she will eventually defeat the First Mover and usher in her paradise where all beings will rejoice in her love, radiance and beauty.

History

Anjeodgan

Anbirese pida Emisom Anjeodgan was inspired by old Second Mover writings for his own idea of the Second Mover: He drew up an old Talmic goddess "Ngedhra" (Eevo: Ñeðra, Anbirese: Ngeseo, from hypothetical Tigol *Ñeðrae, from Thensarian Ȝronaeae), and claimed that she was the Second Mover according to the correct interpretation of the texts. The First Mover, on the other hand, was an illegitimate demiurge who kept humans in the prison full of death and suffering, and our only salvation was to break out of the prison by any means necessary. Because of its promise of universal salvation by faith, Ngedhraism gained widespread popular appeal when it was founded.

Basic tenets

Ngedhra's Vows

The Book of Vows is one of the texts authored by Anjeodgan.

Completion of the Book

Ngedhraists hold that Ngedhra has already completed the list of all the laws that apply to humanity, as proven and told by her prophet Anjeodgan. The authority of the Imθumăytil and the Mărotłite pidaic law is hence null and void. The laws are:

  1. Do not murder
  2. Do not slaughter
  3. Do not rape
  4. ...

According to the Book of Vows, it suffices to express faith in Ngedhra's salvation and to endeavor to follow this complete set of laws for one to meet the goddess immediately upon death:

Should I, Ngedhra, fail to grant eternal life and companionship with me to anyone who has called upon my name with intention and pursued to follow my law, immediately upon his death, may I be stripped of my godhood.

Dietary restrictions

Anjeodgan loosened many Mărotłian religious laws, for example lifting the ban on eating land vertebrate meat.

However, some of his followers went even more hardline on vegetarianism, prohibiting all animal products that required killing the animal; they believed that Ngedhra's law implies a ban on all "slaughter" of all animals.

Ngedhra's arrival

It is believed that someday Ngedhra will kill the First Mover and institute her reign in all the realms including the human one. The dead will be revived, souls languishing in hells will be released, and Ngedhra will transform evildoers into righteous people. Human society itself will become a utopia.

To hasten Ngedhra's arrival one must do good deeds (by obeying her law) and refrain from evil deeds: Ngedhra will arrive when humanity's collective karma (good karma can cancel out bad karma) goes above a certain unrevealed threshold.

In society

In Modern Wen Dămea, religion is traditionally a class marker:

  • The working class are Ngedhraists.
  • The middle to upper classes are Mărotłites.

Textual canon

Ngedhraism shares with Mărotłism the Tigol canon, the Foranloíd, but uses translated texts unlike Mărotłism. Thus Ngedhraist terminology in Talmic languages is commonly derived by evolving the original Tigol word with regular sound changes leading to the Talmic language in question.

Symbols and rituals

Ngedhraism uses symbols, allegories, myths and rituals copiously, many of them of syncretistic origin.

Life cycle events

Contemporary Ngedhraism

anyway the idea is that sticking to tradition is against the will of the 2nd mover - this is where Jeodgan kinda introduces manichean dualism regardless of what god or anyone tells or you you should do, the second mover is what has the final say

the god to follow regardless of whether there is a god

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