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The '''Second Mover''' ([[Eevo]]: ''Sehd Arn''; [[Clofabosin]]: ''ribilzavudan'') is a central [[Verse:Talma|Talman]] spiritual concept representing creativity, agency and moral good within humans. The belief states that we humans are responsible for "creation" and formulating rules, where "God has left off", even when no one is telling us what to do. This set of beliefs associated with this, often called '''Ngronaism''' (/ɪŋˈroʊneɪsm/ ''ing-ROH-nay-zum'', [[Eevo]]: ''Ŋronaivih'' /ˈŋrɔnaivih/), serves as the civic religion of Talman and Talman-derived societies. There is a caveat, though: Ngronaism is, often, less a set of beliefs than a set of common symbols, language, and rituals.
'''Ngedhraism''' (''ing-ED-ra-ism'', [[Eevo]]: ''Ñeðraivih'' /ˈŋrɔnaivih/, [[Windermere]]: ''Thăngop Ngethrea'' 'Ngeðra religion', [[Clofabosin]]: ''Gedravatran'' 'Ngedhra-faith') is a religion founded by Anbirese former ''pida'' ([[Verse:Tricin/Mărotłism|Mărotłite]] religious teacher) Emisom Anjeodgan.  


Ngronaism recognizes that narratives are important - in modern Ngronaism, efforts are made to construct narratives that approach truth. [Immeska]
Ngedhraism is a monolatrous faith; it worships the Second Mover ([[Eevo]]: ''a Nwtxáh Arn''; a concept borrowed from Mărotłism) as a goddess named Ngedhra (Eevo: ''Ñeðra''). It does not see the Second Mover merely as a force acting within the human mind, unlike Mărotłism. Ngedhra is loving towards all sentient beings and seeks to liberate them from this world. It is said that Ngedhra opposes the First Mover, a demiurge who created the current world with all the evil and suffering therein, and that she will eventually defeat the First Mover and usher in her paradise where all beings will rejoice in her love, radiance and beauty.
==Ideas==
A rough timeline:
*After the Calamities, Talman classical philosophy realized need for technology including social technology
*A period much like the Warring States period, with competing philosophies sponsored by warlords and citystates
*One of these philosophies win out and dominate Talma for a long time
**it happens to be a Lăcoaf philosophy; responsible for Lăcoaf as a classical language
*Then Jemmisoom Gariad the revolutionary comes along
 
Some riffing on ideas:
*(It's OK for religions with anthropomorphic gods to have contradictions. In that case it's preferable to reduce the gods' role, though.)
*Tianming (Mandate of Heaven) by nature allows rebellion against an unjust ruler - thus rulers must earn their right to rule
**Then the "Mandate of Ngrone" a fortiori should also allow this, given the role attributed to her.
**Tianming operates on a dynasty-by-dynasty basis. If "Mandate of Ngrone" applies on a society-wise basis, I basically get Sjowaazhen religion - possibly one thread connecting sjowaazhen and talman religions, which is fitting since these sjowaazhic and talmic are both quihum
**Maybe Mărotłianism is all about such "mandates" applying to all levels of society. A mandate might be quite precarious.
*Folk religion could do something vaguely Christian in its themes. 2nd mover is much more anthropomorphic and the only reason that the 2nd Mover is so friendly to humans is that she herself was once a human. Well, the 2nd Mover is already quite human and limited. Would resonate with some people who only trust people who had suffered like them.
*Counterpart in Sjowaazhen, Wibian and Apple PIE religion?


==History==
==History==
The concept of the Second Mover admits multiple different interpretations. Generally, however, the Second Mover is seen as the force of progress - be it scientific or social/moral progress.
===Anjeodgan===
[[Anbirese]] ''pida'' Emisom Anjeodgan was inspired by old Second Mover writings for his own idea of the Second Mover: He drew up an old Talmic goddess "Ngedhra" (Eevo: ''Ñeðra'', Anbirese: ''Ngeseo'', from hypothetical [[Tigol]] ''*Ñeðrae'', from [[Thensarian]] ''Ȝronaeae''), and claimed that she was the Second Mover according to the correct interpretation of the texts. The First Mover, on the other hand, was an illegitimate demiurge who kept humans in the prison full of death and suffering, and our only salvation was to break out of the prison by any means necessary. Because of its promise of universal salvation by faith, Ngedhraism gained widespread popular appeal when it was founded.


In one sense, historical beliefs about the Second Mover are analogous to henotheism - there were many gods but only one god, namely the Second Mover, was worthy of worship.
==Basic tenets==
===Origin===
===Ngedhra's Vows===
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The Book of Vows is one of the texts authored by Anjeodgan.
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|quote=Placeholder for early reference to Ȝronaeā as the 2nd Mover.
|source=The Sondmorið Texts (in Thensarian), fT 341
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The "Second Mover" concept began as a goddess of mathematics and the arts, called Ȝronaeā (Old Eevo Ŋronae; modern Eevo ''Ŋrone'') in Old Eevo texts. Ancient Thensarian pagans saw a duality (i.e. an opposite but complementary relationship) between nature and human endeavors such as science, mathematics and the arts. The creator god, the First Mover, created nature; Ȝronaeā, the Second Mover, then helps humans analyze and create. Ancient sources disagree on which god created humans or gave humans specifically human qualities - some attribute this creation or "ensoulment" of humans to the Second Mover. However, it is important to note that Second Mover in early Talmic religion played a more active role in physical domains "near" humans such as harvest, weather, or governance than in later Talman thought.
===Completion of the Book===
Ngedhraists hold that Ngedhra has already completed the list of all the laws that apply to humanity, as proven and told by her prophet Anjeodgan. The authority of the Imθumăytil and the Mărotłite pidaic law is hence null and void. The laws are:
#Do not murder
#Do not slaughter
#Do not rape
#...


===Warring philosophies===
According to the Book of Vows, it suffices to express faith in Ngedhra's salvation and to endeavor to follow this complete set of laws for one to meet the goddess immediately upon death:
A series of natural disasters and outbreaks, known as the ___ Calamities, set off social instability as well as eroding trust in institutions. The disasters had taught the Talmans that the natural order was not to be trusted; thus the Second Mover took center place in Talman symbolism and became the symbol of good against evil. However, during this time of strife it was difficult to trust other humans as much as it was difficult to trust nature. Exactly how the Second Mover operated and "moved" humans became a matter of heated debate among philosophers. Thus arose various competing philosophical doctrines dealing with 1) how individuals should live and 2) how society should be structured.


Amid the chaos, many nobles and warlords vied for hegemony. In the process they sponsored philosophies that would benefit their kingdom. The philosophies included:
:''Should I, Ngedhra, fail to grant eternal life and companionship with me to anyone who has called upon my name with intention and pursued to follow my law, immediately upon his death, may I be stripped of my godhood.''


*(Mohism analogue/Idealism: "Universal love!")
===Dietary restrictions===
*(Formalism/"order and stability": "Those with the most de facto power should be given the most formal power")
Anjeodgan loosened many Mărotłian religious laws, for example lifting the ban on eating land vertebrate meat.
*A radically individualistic philosophy
*Quasi-Buddhism?
*Mărotłianism (Eevo: ''Myrótxvih'' (pejorative)), typically associated with Windermere philosopher rith Mărotł (Eevo: ''rið Myrótx''). Perhaps Marotlianism is a syncretistic mix of Talmic and Windermere religions.


===Medieval Ngronaism===
However, some of his followers went even more hardline on vegetarianism, prohibiting all animal products that required killing the animal; they believed that Ngedhra's law implies a ban on all "slaughter" of all animals.
Mărotłianism was eventually the ideology to win out. As the Windermere Empire consolidated its power, Mărotłians rapidly took control of institutions in Talma, except in a few remote holdouts such as Nūrē. With the unification of the Lăcoaf Empire Mărotłianism became the state ideology. Various smaller states that were not absorbed by the empire (such as the Tigolian states, the precursors to the modern Eevophone countries Sgewla and Anøvr) would become tributary states.


[Like many religions, Mărotłianism consists of nice normie stuff + nasty stuff. How would Mărotłianism describe itself from the inside?]
===Ngedhra's arrival===
It is believed that someday Ngedhra will kill the First Mover and institute her reign in all the realms including the human one. The dead will be revived, souls languishing in hells will be released, and Ngedhra will transform evildoers into righteous people. Human society itself will become a utopia.


Self-description/Tenets:
To hasten Ngedhra's arrival one must do good deeds (by obeying her law) and refrain from evil deeds: Ngedhra will arrive when humanity's collective karma (good karma can cancel out bad karma) goes above a certain  unrevealed threshold.
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*humans are nasty, brutish and short so they continuously need to make an effort to live in harmony with other humans (too Confucian?) in order to keep the Second Mover happy
*Why does the 2nd mover need to be made happy? otherwise society breaks down and disasters will happen
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*obey your betters
*do not offend needlessly or use unjustified violence or force


Nasty stuff:
==In society==
*it's homophobic
In Modern Wen Dămea, religion is traditionally a class marker:
*and most problems with trad societies
*The working class are Ngedhraists.
*The middle to upper classes are Mărotłites.


Snialism, a mystical form of Ngronaism, also arose during this period as a reaction to the dominant ideology.
==Textual canon==
Ngedhraism shares with Mărotłism the Tigol canon, the Foranloíd, but uses translated texts unlike Mărotłism. Thus Ngedhraist terminology in Talmic languages is commonly derived by evolving the original Tigol word with regular sound changes leading to the Talmic language in question.


===Early modern Ngronaism===
==Symbols and rituals==
Embisoom Gariad's "revolution": What's "Grwidianism"?
Ngedhraism uses symbols, allegories, myths and rituals copiously, many of them of syncretistic origin.
===Life cycle events===


Gariad was inspired by old Second Mover writings for his own idea of the second mover, to formulate what he believed was the most true and pure religion.
==Contemporary Ngedhraism==
 
anyway the idea is that sticking to tradition is against the will of the 2nd mover - this is where Jeodgan kinda introduces manichean dualism  
anyway the idea is that sticking to tradition is against the will of the 2nd mover - this is where gariad kinda introduces manichean dualism  
regardless of what god or anyone tells or you you should do, the second mover is what has the final say
regardless of what god or anyone tells or you you should do, the second mover is what has the final say
this is close to praveen's original idea
as i remember it


the god to follow regardless of whether there is a god
the god to follow regardless of whether there is a god
gariad might have taken inspiration from ancient 2nd mover writings
marotlianism and gariadism too different now?
Basically Gariad's writings could be described as "sci-fi without the tech aesthetic." A lot of it is quasi-mystical woo; Snialist influence is evident in his language. But he got the idea behind modern Ngronaism - a vision of concrete progress and transcendence. Gariad would definitely have been ''influenced'' by Snialism in any case.
===Industrialization and communism===
===Contemporary Ngronaism===
Basically transhumanism
==Basic tenets==
===''Zicyreexúr''===
The concept of ''zicyreexúr'' is a principle of nonviolence, analogous to ''ahiṃsa'' in Dharmic religions. (The [[Eevo]] word ''zicyreexúr'', from [[Windermere]] ''și·căreałür'', means 'nonviolence' or 'non-aggression'.) Traditionally, ''zicyreexúr'' allows violence in self-defense or as a punishment for violence - the reasoning was that violence is so serious that it should be discouraged by any means necessary. There has been much debate among Ngronaist thinkers on exactly how much retributive violence is justified.
=="Canon"==
In a sense, Ngronaism has an "open source" textual canon which allows additions. Thinkers from different time periods and environments have their own interpretations, though often informed by previous ones, on what exactly the philosophy entails about how humans ought to live.
===Ancient texts===
*The ''Sondmorið Manuscripts'' ([[Eevo]]: /ˈsɔntmɔrið/) are a collection of manuscripts found in the Sondmorið caves. Among other things, they give a mythological account of human nature and origins. Devotional poems are also included.
===Classical texts===
*The ''Ngăthoar'' ([[Windermere]]: /ŋəˈðoər/, meaning "investigations") is a [[Windermere]]-language text which depicts philosophers discussing and debating various moral and philosophical topics. Most surviving copies have been edited from a Mărotłian viewpoint. The ''Ngăthoar'' was traditionally required reading in Etalocian schools.
===Modern texts===
===Contemporary texts===
==Symbols and rituals==
Ngronaism uses symbols, allegories, myths and rituals copiously, many of them of syncretistic origin; however, it emphasizes that these are allegories and myth, designed for absorption by the limited human mind.
===Holidays===
*Spring Equinox/arrival of spring
*Summer solstice festival
*''Crifahd'' in September
*''Sdatnsa'' = 6 months after Easter
*Winter solstice (Eevo: ''Bwrjadreeg''; Clofabosin: ''lagavulin''): A solstice festival where, among other things, they sing songs hoping for a "brighter" future.
[Holidays based on historical events and myths]
[TODO: dishes associated with the holidays]
====Spring Equinox====
For the Spring Equinox holiday, there are foods that use lightly-flavored mushrooms, along with other spring herbs and other "bright"/tart-flavored ingredients.
====Bwrjadreeg====
Falling on Llavw 1-6, it is an expansive holiday which emphasizes resolve to survive, remembrance of those who have died, as well as hope for a future better than now.
===Life cycle events===
==Distribution==
==Variants==
:''Main article: [[Verse:Tricin/Snialism]]
==Heresies==
[Should be "religious" heresies, not political ones. They could ''imply'' political beliefs but that shouldn't be the point]
*Denying the existence of the Second Mover
*Believing that the First and Second Movers are one

Latest revision as of 19:47, 25 January 2023

Ngedhraism (ing-ED-ra-ism, Eevo: Ñeðraivih /ˈŋrɔnaivih/, Windermere: Thăngop Ngethrea 'Ngeðra religion', Clofabosin: Gedravatran 'Ngedhra-faith') is a religion founded by Anbirese former pida (Mărotłite religious teacher) Emisom Anjeodgan.

Ngedhraism is a monolatrous faith; it worships the Second Mover (Eevo: a Nwtxáh Arn; a concept borrowed from Mărotłism) as a goddess named Ngedhra (Eevo: Ñeðra). It does not see the Second Mover merely as a force acting within the human mind, unlike Mărotłism. Ngedhra is loving towards all sentient beings and seeks to liberate them from this world. It is said that Ngedhra opposes the First Mover, a demiurge who created the current world with all the evil and suffering therein, and that she will eventually defeat the First Mover and usher in her paradise where all beings will rejoice in her love, radiance and beauty.

History

Anjeodgan

Anbirese pida Emisom Anjeodgan was inspired by old Second Mover writings for his own idea of the Second Mover: He drew up an old Talmic goddess "Ngedhra" (Eevo: Ñeðra, Anbirese: Ngeseo, from hypothetical Tigol *Ñeðrae, from Thensarian Ȝronaeae), and claimed that she was the Second Mover according to the correct interpretation of the texts. The First Mover, on the other hand, was an illegitimate demiurge who kept humans in the prison full of death and suffering, and our only salvation was to break out of the prison by any means necessary. Because of its promise of universal salvation by faith, Ngedhraism gained widespread popular appeal when it was founded.

Basic tenets

Ngedhra's Vows

The Book of Vows is one of the texts authored by Anjeodgan.

Completion of the Book

Ngedhraists hold that Ngedhra has already completed the list of all the laws that apply to humanity, as proven and told by her prophet Anjeodgan. The authority of the Imθumăytil and the Mărotłite pidaic law is hence null and void. The laws are:

  1. Do not murder
  2. Do not slaughter
  3. Do not rape
  4. ...

According to the Book of Vows, it suffices to express faith in Ngedhra's salvation and to endeavor to follow this complete set of laws for one to meet the goddess immediately upon death:

Should I, Ngedhra, fail to grant eternal life and companionship with me to anyone who has called upon my name with intention and pursued to follow my law, immediately upon his death, may I be stripped of my godhood.

Dietary restrictions

Anjeodgan loosened many Mărotłian religious laws, for example lifting the ban on eating land vertebrate meat.

However, some of his followers went even more hardline on vegetarianism, prohibiting all animal products that required killing the animal; they believed that Ngedhra's law implies a ban on all "slaughter" of all animals.

Ngedhra's arrival

It is believed that someday Ngedhra will kill the First Mover and institute her reign in all the realms including the human one. The dead will be revived, souls languishing in hells will be released, and Ngedhra will transform evildoers into righteous people. Human society itself will become a utopia.

To hasten Ngedhra's arrival one must do good deeds (by obeying her law) and refrain from evil deeds: Ngedhra will arrive when humanity's collective karma (good karma can cancel out bad karma) goes above a certain unrevealed threshold.

In society

In Modern Wen Dămea, religion is traditionally a class marker:

  • The working class are Ngedhraists.
  • The middle to upper classes are Mărotłites.

Textual canon

Ngedhraism shares with Mărotłism the Tigol canon, the Foranloíd, but uses translated texts unlike Mărotłism. Thus Ngedhraist terminology in Talmic languages is commonly derived by evolving the original Tigol word with regular sound changes leading to the Talmic language in question.

Symbols and rituals

Ngedhraism uses symbols, allegories, myths and rituals copiously, many of them of syncretistic origin.

Life cycle events

Contemporary Ngedhraism

anyway the idea is that sticking to tradition is against the will of the 2nd mover - this is where Jeodgan kinda introduces manichean dualism regardless of what god or anyone tells or you you should do, the second mover is what has the final say

the god to follow regardless of whether there is a god

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