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Dioder - great mountain (Surname)
Dioder - great mountain (Surname)
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==Sound changes==
==Sound changes==
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w > w low class
w > w low class
schw > w high class
schw > w high class
sy sen, ćy ćeban, śy śveran, czy cziłyśy, szy szłety, ky kmasz, ...
hàmh tùqhas?
deimh
pf > pf high class
pf > pf high class
f > f high class
f > f high class
enpf, enf > w high class
enpf, enf > w high class
in neckthai?
why does en- urú in neckthai?!
i thought it was just en+high class f
i'm referring to the MGW tone classes H = {1, 2, 3}, L = {4, 5, 6}
séimhiú
p+séimhiú > f high class
b+séimhiú > w low class
f+séimhiú > h high class
w+séimhiú > ʔ low class
m+sémhiú > w low class
maybe not all of these consonants should seimhiu
schm, schw + séimhiú > m, w L
schm, schw + séimhiú > m, w L
urú
urú
np > b > p L
np > b > p L
that's in neckthai?
no
MGW
mgw
i see
nb > m > m L
nb > m > m L
nf > mhf > w L
nf > mhf > w L
npf > w L
npf > w L
do you have a high class w?
or a high class m?
schw, schm
schw, schm perhpas shouldn't mutate
also I have aspirate mutation with des-
do you have high class /p/?
unaspirated p?
nope
viet doesn't either
in native words and sino vocabulary
neckthai loans perhaps?
high class /t/?
it seems like a lot of wiob words have tones 4 5 and 6
z > t-H
aspirate mutation
aspirate mutation
s-m > m H
s-m > m H
wiob is turning out like welsh
s-p > p H
s-p > p H
s-b > p H
s-b > p H
s-w > w H
s-w > w H
des ~ Whetmer dis-
s-z > tʰ H
s-z > tʰ H
 
t > ɗ H
what's funny is dis- is a Latinate suffix in English
z > t H
it sorta passivizes things
in wiobic
the opposite of en-
 
funny!
 
dis- is the opposite of en-
 
in Whetmer
so wiob cognate should be tes-
coronals are a mess in wiob diachronics
let me try anyway
it's turning out to be a mess at least
t > t H
st > tʰ H
st > tʰ H
d > tʰ L
d > tʰ L
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schn > n H
schn > n H
schl > l H
schl > l H
I should also remove some other consonants
like?
(anyway, my latest thai name find:
Charoenpattanachaichan
Pattana should be a word)
many consonants have only one of the two tone classes
especially the laterals and voiced fricatives are iffy
Sorry
t > ɗ
i think that's ok
cf. implosives in khmer have only the â-class
often
but there are class switching diacritics tho
in wiob?
in khmer
perhaps wiob should have some
z > t H
z > t H
s > z H
s > z H
ss > s H
ss > s H


German has acutes for foreign words
café
?
i forgot
r > ż L
schr > sz H
séimhiú:
séimhiú:
t-sé > s H
t-sé > s H
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z-se > s H
z-se > s H


qʷˁ’+seimhiu -> ?
Smiley grin
uru:
uru:
nt: t̓ʰ H
nt: t̓ʰ H
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ns: z H
ns: z H
nss: z H
nss: z H
nl > ń L
nl > ł L
nschl > ń H
nschl > ł H
nschr > ż H
nschr > ż H


Smiley like
classical wiob should also have these mutating prefixes for no reason
other mutating prefixes i mean
like old chinese
at least proto-vulgar wiob
what's vulgar wiob?
i dunno
i guess i meant proto-middle wiob
perhaps ń can be a dark ł in modern wiob
/nl/ lateral release > nasalized l >  velarized l
nice!
so I have both l and ł
and I can use ł!
South Indian classical singers often replace coda nasals with nasalized laterals
/-n/ -> /-l̃/, /-ɳ/ -> /-ɭ̃/
especially when drawing out the nasal
i'm rederiving laterals from classical wiob laterals
barred t and d
gussnish ć and dź
or terg ŧ and đ
have you thought about how things are pronounced differently when singing?
like Americans tend to sound somewhat southern when they sing
ŧ > dź H
ŧ > dź H
sŧ > ć H  
sŧ > ć H  
đ > ć L
đ > ć L
they don't shift to dz, c, c like I initially conceived
i'm not using z /c/ and barred j anymore
abusing notation
ŧh > ś H
ŧh > ś H
đh > ś L
đh > ś L
there shouldn't be ź
nŧ > ć H
nŧ > ć H
nđ > ł L
nđ > ł L
in addition to nl > ł L, nschl > ł H
other processes also produce laterals
pl, kl > dź H
pl, kl > dź H
spl > ć H
spl > ć H
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Npl, Nkl > ć H
Npl, Nkl > ć H
Nbl, Ngl > ł L
Nbl, Ngl > ł L
pl, kl seimhiu to ś H
phl, khl > ś H
bl gl seimhiu to ś L
bhl, ghl > ś L
 
ml, schml > ł H, ł L
nice!


do wiobs have to learn all those rules!
I should have ml, schml in Wiob
looks sort of czechy
> ł H, ł L
retroflexes are always made from consonant clusters Cr-
pr, pfr, tr, kr > dż H
pr, pfr, tr, kr > dż H
spr, str > cz H
spr, str > cz H
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mr > nz L
mr > nz L
schmr > nz H
schmr > nz H
tr seimhius to sz H
thr > sz H
dr seimhius to sz L
dhr > sz L
mr seimhiu's to ż L?
mhr > ż L?


let me try to intuit that
ɳh -> ż makes sense
yeah because a lot of phonetic analogy going on
guess the uru values for the retroflexes
dż -> cz -> nz?
sz -> ż?
yes
ntr > cz H
ntr > cz H
ndr > nz L
ndr > nz L
nschr, nfr > zz H
nschr, nfr > ż H


zz = ż?\
palatals
yeah
palatals!


as in Dioder
ti, ki > dzi H
ti, ki > dzi H
sti > ci H
sti > ci H
di, gi > ci L
di, gi > ci L
si, ssi, schi > si H
ssi, schi > si H
ni > ni L
ni > ni L
schni > ni H
schni > ni H
or maybe si > zi H
si > zi H
yes, si > zi H
dzi H + se > si H
dzi H + se > si H
ci L + se > ni L
ci L + se > ni L


schngr- -> nz?
yes
nz H
so what happens to Schngrüönzstein?
nzoen2 tan1
nice!
nti > ci L
nti > ci L
ndi > ni L
ndi > ni L
nsi, nssi, nschi > zi H
nsi, nssi, nschi > zi H


Smiley like
 
velars are a little odd
k > g H
k > g H
g > k L
g > k L
 
tes-k > k-H
usual
kh > ch H
but there is no high class k!
gh > ch L
 
low class g?
because sk > sch
actually
 
des-k?
sch > ch could turn into k H
Yes, des-k will also yield k-H
i mean tes-k
 
i should work out PIP->Classical Crockartoot and Classical Crockartoot->Modern Crockartoot
seimhiu:
k > ch H
g > ch L
oh and
oh and
idea for postmodern crockartoot:
kn, schng > ng H
kn, schng > ng H
gn, ng > ng L
gn, ng > ng L
 
sch > ch H\
pharyngealized sounds can turn into creaky voice and eventually low class consonants!
 
schngr- is still nz eh?
yes
kn, gn > ng is because i need some initial ng's
 
for the vietnamese feel!
 
it also looks like tonal gussnish with the laterals
sch > ch H actually
uru:
nk > k L
nk > k L
ng > ng L
ng > ng L
nsch > ng H
nsch > ng H
enscheig -> ?
ngi?
yeah
ngai
so it's no longer ou meng zi czoi!
some things changed lol
werden -> ?
zie perhaps
enschieg?
yes
zi6
werden > zi6 too
Ou&Meng enschieg Grüer
enschieg looks like the pseudo german past tense of enscheig Smiley smile
oh i forgot
deimh!
wi > zi L
wi > zi L
schwi > zi H
schwi > zi H
' = palatalization of dentals and velars to palatals
 
' = palatalization of dentals, velars and w to palatals


short i > -y-
short i > -y-

Revision as of 17:17, 25 September 2015

Place names

Hauerreberjamms - capital of Wiobermin
Walsterschmerg
Gertraucherzweidung
Deschrüssmeder
Ingsthanz
Gemastkriebing
Tübederchung
Iosmahrlinde
Geschelinde
Greichŧrister
Uobensbarr
Wuscherŧrungen
Flaŧŧsschmängs
Ämmerbraum


Words

Ŧime 'hand' > dzym1
beŧim 'touch, handle' MGW śym1
Ŧehr 'bird' > dzai1
Ŧepps 'ice' > dzai2
enŧepp 'freeze' > ńyp2
Früngli - farmer
früngs, früngs, Früngs - farm
Huß, Hußer - world
Mauch, Mauchet - ball, sphere > mao5
Wister - unit of length
Stuchs - pace, rhythm
enschläb - lower
enfens - raise
Bezwanns - ladder, scale
bekiod - mourn, grieve
Esch - voice
Dioder - great mountain (Surname)

Sound changes

p > b /ɓ/ high class
sp > p /pʰ/ high class
b > p low class
m > m low class
schm > m high class
w > w low class
schw > w high class
pf > pf high class
f > f high class
enpf, enf > w high class
schm, schw + séimhiú > m, w L
urú
np > b > p L
nb > m > m L
nf > mhf > w L
npf > w L
aspirate mutation
s-m > m H
s-p > p H
s-b > p H
s-w > w H
s-z > tʰ H
t > ɗ H
z > t H
st > tʰ H
d > tʰ L
n > n L
l > l L
schn > n H
schl > l H
z > t H
s > z H
ss > s H

séimhiú:
t-sé > s H
d-sé > s L
z-se > s H

uru:
nt: t̓ʰ H
nd: n L
ns: z H
nss: z H
nl > ł L
nschl > ł H
nschr > ż H

ŧ > dź H
sŧ > ć H
đ > ć L
ŧh > ś H
đh > ś L
nŧ > ć H
nđ > ł L
pl, kl > dź H
spl > ć H
bl, gl > ć L
Npl, Nkl > ć H
Nbl, Ngl > ł L
phl, khl > ś H
bhl, ghl > ś L
ml, schml > ł H, ł L

pr, pfr, tr, kr > dż H
spr, str > cz H
br, dr, gr > cz L
fr, schr > sz H
r > ż L
mr > nz L
schmr > nz H
thr > sz H
dhr > sz L
mhr > ż L?

ntr > cz H
ndr > nz L
nschr, nfr > ż H

palatals

ti, ki > dzi H
sti > ci H
di, gi > ci L
ssi, schi > si H
ni > ni L
schni > ni H
si > zi H
dzi H + se > si H
ci L + se > ni L

nti > ci L
ndi > ni L
nsi, nssi, nschi > zi H


k > g H
g > k L
tes-k > k-H
kh > ch H
gh > ch L
oh and
kn, schng > ng H
gn, ng > ng L
sch > ch H\
nk > k L
ng > ng L
nsch > ng H
wi > zi L
schwi > zi H

' = palatalization of dentals, velars and w to palatals

short i > -y-
long i > -'ei, -yC
short e > -y-
long e > -e-
long/short ä > -'a-
long/short ü > -'ư
long/short ö > -ơ
short u > -u-
long u > -y-
long/short o > -u-
long/short å > -o-
short a > -o
long a > -'a
-ie > -'i-
-io > -'u-
-ia > -'o-
-iu > -'ư-
-uo > -u-
-üö > -'ơ
-äu > -e
-au > -au, -uC
-ei > -a

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